From geert at xs4all.nl  Fri Oct  1 15:44:00 2010
From: geert at xs4all.nl (Geert Lovink)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 15:44:00 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> Reading/Discussion Group: Wikipedia and the
	Institutions/Practices of Knowledge
References: <AANLkTin_YsOzu7rz4XLeQA_NrO0crwsYwHJhYai_tZ4t@mail.gmail.com>
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> From: Joseph Reagle <reagle at cyber.law.harvard.edu>
> Date: Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:07 PM
> Subject: Reading/Discussion Group: Wikipedia and the Institutions/ 
> Practices of Knowledge
>
> I apologize for the short notice. The first meeting of Wikipedia &  
> Knowledge group will be meeting Wednesday Oct 06 at 5:30 PM. Please  
> feel free to forward to any and all who might be interested.
>
> [[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Reagle/Berkman_Reading_Group
>
> Wikipedia and the Institutions/Practices of Knowledge
>
>   Meetings
>          Intermittent Wednesdays at 17:30 (5:30 PM) ET
>
>   Location
>          Berkman Center, 23 Everett Street, 2nd Floor, Cambridge, MA  
> 02138
>
> Description
>   	Historian Peter Burke argues that the institutions of the  
> university, academy, and scholarly society each arose when its  
> predecessor failed to accommodate new approaches to knowledge  
> production and dissemination; perhaps Wikipedia stands astride  
> another such fault? Hence, this reading group will focus on  
> questions of the sharing and synthesis of knowledge in light of  
> online collaboration, and Wikipedia specifically. We intend to  
> approach this by considering institutions and practices of knowledge  
> production and consumption. (Of course, these are no longer separate  
> and discrete practices, and are described as prosumption, by  
> Tapscott and Williams in their book Wikinomics.)
>
>   This reading group will discuss current practice in different  
> fields, engagement of universities in Wikipedia and other broad  
> collaborations, and historical parallels in large-scale synthesis  
> and sharing of knowledge. Participants are welcome to bring stories  
> from their own work and contribute to the reading list.
>
> ]]
>
>

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From Alan.Shapiro at gmx.de  Sun Oct  3 13:26:43 2010
From: Alan.Shapiro at gmx.de (Alan Shapiro)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:26:43 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> Die Bibliothek der Zukunft - The Library of the Future
Message-ID: <5047BC89303A48D58C525486AFC975DA@AlanShapiroPC>

Hi everyone,

I have just published the text of my talk in Leipzig on "Die Bibliothek der Zukunft - The Library of the Future" at my website, www.alan-shapiro.com.

The text is in both German and English.

Thank you.

Best regards,
Alan
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From geert at xs4all.nl  Tue Oct  5 14:29:29 2010
From: geert at xs4all.nl (Geert Lovink)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:29:29 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> =?iso-8859-1?q?WISSENSCHAFT_/_=D6FFENTLICHKEIT_/_WIKIPEDIA?=
References: <4109080A6B8F554E9C8EFDCA3DE7500FC774E17896@MAIL40.uni-siegen.de>
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> http://www.cpov.de/?page_id=742

dear all,

look at this amazing press coverage list that johanna just compiled  
about the cpov #3 event last week in leipzig!

it's in german, obviously, as the whole event was in german, dealing  
with the german-speaking wikipedia, in germany.

best, geert





From geert at xs4all.nl  Wed Oct  6 12:49:58 2010
From: geert at xs4all.nl (Geert Lovink)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:49:58 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> UvA students create new Wikipedia entries and blog about it
Message-ID: <9DD9016E-62C1-47FF-ACD6-130203DEA13C@xs4all.nl>

Dear all,

over the past week nearly 60 students of mine who are following the  
New Media Practices course of the New Media masters at Mediastudies  
(University of Amsterdam, humanities faculty) had the assignment to  
write a new Wikipedia entry. They also had to write a blog posting  
about this experience on the collaborative blog called Masters of  
Media. This blog was founded in September 2006 and is now in use by  
the fifth generation of students.

I have done similar assignments over the past years. Last year we had  
35 students.

About half the students ran into trouble, either having their entry  
deleted or having to rename it, change topic and so on.

Please read their exciting reports here: http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/ 
.

Another way to navigate could be the tag cloud: http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/tag/wikipedia/ 
.

Here you can find photos of the three classes: http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/about/ 
.

At least half of the students are from outside the Netherlands, and  
more than half female.

Best, Geert



From nishant at cis-india.org  Wed Oct  6 13:50:11 2010
From: nishant at cis-india.org (Nishant Shah)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:50:11 -0400
Subject: <CPOV> The wikiwars videos are now up for public access
Message-ID: <4CAC6273.5040103@cis-india.org>

http://cis-india.org/research/conferences/conference-blogs/wwrep

-- 
Nishant Shah
Director - Research
Centre for Internet and Society, Bangalore
Asia Awards Fellow, 2008-09
Doctoral Student, CSCS
Phone: +91-(0)-9740074884





From athina.k at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 14:33:41 2010
From: athina.k at gmail.com (Athina Karatzogianni)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:33:41 +0300
Subject: <CPOV> UvA students create new Wikipedia entries and blog about
	it
In-Reply-To: <9DD9016E-62C1-47FF-ACD6-130203DEA13C@xs4all.nl>
References: <9DD9016E-62C1-47FF-ACD6-130203DEA13C@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinJinQuBBDyEEufYw+7Ocr3iEAa+d30PK5jxjrD@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Geert and all,

Not one to make compliments lightly, I just wanted to say I had a look at
the master theses and I am very impressed with the work. It is a true
accomplishment.

Thank you for sharing.

All the best

Athina

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Geert Lovink <geert at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> over the past week nearly 60 students of mine who are following the New
> Media Practices course of the New Media masters at Mediastudies (University
> of Amsterdam, humanities faculty) had the assignment to write a new
> Wikipedia entry. They also had to write a blog posting about this experience
> on the collaborative blog called Masters of Media. This blog was founded in
> September 2006 and is now in use by the fifth generation of students.
>
> I have done similar assignments over the past years. Last year we had 35
> students.
>
> About half the students ran into trouble, either having their entry deleted
> or having to rename it, change topic and so on.
>
> Please read their exciting reports here: http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/
> .
>
> Another way to navigate could be the tag cloud:
> http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/tag/wikipedia/.
>
> Here you can find photos of the three classes:
> http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/about/.
>
> At least half of the students are from outside the Netherlands, and more
> than half female.
>
> Best, Geert
>
> _______________________________________________
> cpov mailing list
> cpov at listcultures.org
> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org
>



-- 
Dr Athina Karatzogianni
Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
The University of Hull
United Kingdom
HU6 7RX
T: ++44 (0) 1482 46 5790
F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107
http://www2.hull.ac.uk/FASS/humanities/media,_culture_and_society/staff/karatzogianni,_dr_athina.aspx

Check out Athina's work
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3AAthina%20Karatzogianni&page=1

China-Google article: http://www.e-ir.info/?p=3420
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From geert at xs4all.nl  Wed Oct  6 16:43:15 2010
From: geert at xs4all.nl (Geert Lovink)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:43:15 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> UvA students create new Wikipedia entries and blog about
	it
In-Reply-To: <201010060827.11876.joseph@reagle.org>
References: <9DD9016E-62C1-47FF-ACD6-130203DEA13C@xs4all.nl>
	<201010060827.11876.joseph@reagle.org>
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> It is interesting to peruse through the blogs, but I'd be interested  
> in a big picture reflection. In reading the various entries this was  
> not new to some and alienating (e.g., deletion and rules), etc. So  
> I'm left wondering about the balance such as of those who never  
> edited WP before, how many would bother to try to edit it again?

Out of the 55 or so students only 2 or 3 had ever edited a Wikipedia  
page. Mind you, these are new media students.... they do not have  
technical issues. After a training session it was relatively easy for  
them to figure out how to create a new entry, the formatting etc.  
Despite some frustrating experiences the overall response was positive.

I am always surprised how few young people contribute to Wikipedia.  
They all use it, but it doesn't cross their mind to change or add  
something. Why is that? Same with most academics. They complain a lot  
about Wikipedia but we never take up the initiave to make that small  
step to edit an entry. I would say, this is due to culture. I believe  
that changing (and creating) Wikipedia entries should be part of every  
school cirriculum. Not all these changes will remain. But that's not  
the point.

The actual percentage of students that will continue to add to  
Wikipedia will be quite low. Maybe 10%?

The Ortega curve, if I may call it like that, should be of great  
concern for us all. The initial response of the Wikimedia Foundation  
and some individual Wikipedians to the stagnation of editor numbers  
etc. was one of initial denial. Maybe understandable but not very  
clever on the long run. The inclusion of Wikipedia in courses like  
these is one of possibly many ways to break out of the current threat  
of social closure.

Yours, Geert




From joseph.2008 at reagle.org  Wed Oct  6 16:50:27 2010
From: joseph.2008 at reagle.org (Joseph Reagle)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:50:27 -0400
Subject: <CPOV> UvA students create new Wikipedia entries and blog about
	it
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References: <9DD9016E-62C1-47FF-ACD6-130203DEA13C@xs4all.nl>
	<201010060827.11876.joseph@reagle.org>
	<FA35F5B5-F5C4-4574-96E0-4CC568957F6C@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <201010061050.27774.joseph.2008@reagle.org>

On Wednesday, October 06, 2010, Geert Lovink wrote:
> I am always surprised how few young people contribute to Wikipedia.  

From my own anecdotal experience I've found, particularly a few years ago, that many students didn't even know that it was user editable. And now that more do there is still the same hesitancy that you note. Interestingly, one of librarians at the Brooklyn Public Library enjoyed speaking to me about Wikipedia. She would tell me how she absolutely loved it, and then I would ask her does she contribute? And she would respond "oh, no" and beg off. It would seem to me that she is the perfect type of contributor... And, personally, I don't blame her given the kludgy-ness of the interface and the syntax. (And then if you get beyond that, you have to deal with the rules and policies.)




From jfelipe at libresoft.es  Wed Oct  6 17:48:46 2010
From: jfelipe at libresoft.es (Felipe Ortega)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:48:46 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> UvA students create new Wikipedia entries and blog about
	it
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References: <9DD9016E-62C1-47FF-ACD6-130203DEA13C@xs4all.nl>
	<201010060827.11876.joseph@reagle.org>
	<FA35F5B5-F5C4-4574-96E0-4CC568957F6C@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <201010061748.49573.jfelipe@libresoft.es>

On Mi?rcoles, 6 de Octubre de 2010 16:43:15 Geert Lovink escribi?:
> The Ortega curve, if I may call it like that, should be of great  
> concern for us all. The initial response of the Wikimedia Foundation  
> and some individual Wikipedians to the stagnation of editor numbers  
> etc. was one of initial denial. Maybe understandable but not very  
> clever on the long run. The inclusion of Wikipedia in courses like  
> these is one of possibly many ways to break out of the current threat  
> of social closure.

Thanks, Geert, but definitely that curve is not like a physical constant... :)

It's true that it received strong criticism at first, amplified by some news 
coming from mass media. However, I think the message was ultimately received 
by both the community and WMF.

The first example are some comments on this WMF document, summarizing the 
conclusions of the Wikipedia Strategy Plan for Wikimedia Chapters (2nd 
paragraph from bottom, page 3):

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AChapters_Wikimedia_Strategy_Plan_Summary.pdf&page=3

Then, they launched the Former Contributors Survey, presented in Wikimania 
2010 by H. Fung:

http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Why_Do_Editors_Leave_Wikipedia.pdf

Interestingly, they applied the very same criterion for identifying a former 
contributor (editor who ceased her activity over the next 3 months) for which 
we received most of the critics to our initial study :) :

http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Why_Do_Editors_Leave_Wikipedia.pdf&page=6

WMF is also starting an ambitious Ambassadors Program, specifically targeted to 
academia:

http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Ambassador_Program

I think this is indeed what Wikipedia needs, and a perfect example of the type 
of initiatives that must be fostered from both Wikimedia community and 
academia (scholars, students, R&D institutes, etc.). Unfortunately, AFAIK it 
has been only launched in USA, so far. I'm trying to pay attention to the 
future schedule, to learn when it will reach EU and other continents. I'm 
pretty sure that many people will help with this, most probably with better 
support from the growing network of local Wikimedia Chapters.

Best,
Felipe.

-- 
Jos? Felipe Ortega Soto          | Researcher & Project Manager
Tel: (+34)-91 488 8105           | 
Fax: (+34)-91 664 7494           | GSyC/Libresoft - U. Rey Juan Carlos
jfelipe _at_libresoft_dot_es     | Edif. Departamental II - Office 106
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From joseph at reagle.org  Wed Oct  6 14:27:11 2010
From: joseph at reagle.org (Joseph Reagle)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:27:11 -0400
Subject: <CPOV> UvA students create new Wikipedia entries and blog about
	it
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References: <9DD9016E-62C1-47FF-ACD6-130203DEA13C@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <201010060827.11876.joseph@reagle.org>

On Wednesday, October 06, 2010, Geert Lovink wrote:
> over the past week nearly 60 students of mine who are following the  
> New Media Practices course of the New Media masters at Mediastudies  
> (University of Amsterdam, humanities faculty) had the assignment to  
> write a new Wikipedia entry. They also had to write a blog posting  
> about this experience on the collaborative blog called Masters of  
> Media. This blog was founded in September 2006 and is now in use by  
> the fifth generation of students.

It is interesting to peruse through the blogs, but I'd be interested in a big picture reflection. In reading the various entries this was not new to some and alienating (e.g., deletion and rules), etc. So I'm left wondering about the balance such as of those who never edited WP before, how many would bother to try to edit it again?



From mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au  Thu Oct  7 18:23:06 2010
From: mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au (Mathieu ONeil)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:23:06 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> UvA students create new Wikipedia entries and blog
	about	it
In-Reply-To: <201010060827.11876.joseph@reagle.org>
References: <9DD9016E-62C1-47FF-ACD6-130203DEA13C@xs4all.nl>
	<201010060827.11876.joseph@reagle.org>
Message-ID: <fbcaf35a2fc60.4cae100a@anu.edu.au>

Along the same lines: a how-to guide for scientists on how to work on WP...

How To Edit Wikipedia
Darren Logan et al | PLoS | 30 September 2010

http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1000941

cheers,
M

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Reagle <joseph at reagle.org>
Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010 9:08 am
Subject: Re: <CPOV> UvA students create new Wikipedia entries and blog about	it
To: cpov at listcultures.org

> On Wednesday, October 06, 2010, Geert Lovink wrote:
> > over the past week nearly 60 students of mine who are 
> following the  
> > New Media Practices course of the New Media masters at 
> Mediastudies  
> > (University of Amsterdam, humanities faculty) had the 
> assignment to  
> > write a new Wikipedia entry. They also had to write a blog 
> posting  
> > about this experience on the collaborative blog called Masters 
> of  
> > Media. This blog was founded in September 2006 and is now in 
> use by  
> > the fifth generation of students.
> 
> It is interesting to peruse through the blogs, but I'd be 
> interested in a big picture reflection. In reading the various 
> entries this was not new to some and alienating (e.g., deletion 
> and rules), etc. So I'm left wondering about the balance such as 
> of those who never edited WP before, how many would bother to 
> try to edit it again?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> cpov mailing list
> cpov at listcultures.org
> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org

****
Dr Mathieu O'Neil
Adjunct Research Fellow
Australian Demographic and Social Research Institute
College of Arts and Social Science
The Australian National University
email: mathieu.oneil[at]anu.edu.au
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From margreet at networkcultures.org  Thu Oct  7 14:40:05 2010
From: margreet at networkcultures.org (Margreet Riphagen)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:40:05 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> info viz of wikipedia edit wars
Message-ID: <B398B279-F221-427C-8CFA-87B674E3BE86@networkcultures.org>

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/wikipedia-lamest-edit-wars/





From dqamir at bezeqint.net  Fri Oct  8 08:46:32 2010
From: dqamir at bezeqint.net (Dror Kamir)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:46:32 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> UvA students create new Wikipedia entries and blog about
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From majava at ifi.uio.no  Fri Oct  8 13:26:48 2010
From: majava at ifi.uio.no (Maja van der Velden)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:26:48 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> UvA students create new Wikipedia entries and blog about
	it
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Message-ID: <4E244F26-A76F-4935-88F1-8944EA23686C@ifi.uio.no>

I guess this means thumps up for what was called 'fragmentation' in an  
earlier CPOV discussion :-)

M.

On Oct 8, 2010, at 8:46 AM, Dror Kamir wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thanks a lot for these interesting accounts. I find the one by Erik  
> van Bemmelen (http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/2010/10/07/the-wiki-elite/ 
> ) very interesting (my pessimistic nature always draws me to the  
> less-positive experiences :-) ). This is usually the experience that  
> holds people back from contributing to WP. Someone comes out of the  
> blue and say your contributions are non-notable, unverified,  
> violating one rule or another and so forth. While this is a natural  
> interaction to some extent, resulting from people's possessiveness  
> instinct, it has become increasingly frequent and received too much  
> legitimacy. For example, a good editor would take the challenge and  
> try to verify unverified information before asking to delete it, or,  
> in  Erik van Bemmelen's case, would appreciated the good work rather  
> than start arguing about notability. But what I find particularly  
> interesting is Erik van Bemmelen's reaction, namely "I can take my  
> work and offer it to another similar website". This is exactly what  
> WP needs these days for its own good and for the principles that  
> underlie the project -  competition. More free-licensed wiki-sites  
> should be opened with focused theme and in various languages. In  
> fact, when people ask me today how they can contribute to WP, I  
> often tell them - why won't you open your own wiki? You could set  
> the rules for yourself and you won't have to engage in endless  
> discussions about each contribution. If your material is good and  
> free-licensed then it is very likely that it will end up on WP, and  
> you will still have the original version on your own site.
>
> Dror K
>
> ?????? 06/10/10 12:49, ????? Geert Lovink:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> over the past week nearly 60 students of mine who are following the  
>> New Media Practices course of the New Media masters at Mediastudies  
>> (University of Amsterdam, humanities faculty) had the assignment to  
>> write a new Wikipedia entry. They also had to write a blog posting  
>> about this experience on the collaborative blog called Masters of  
>> Media. This blog was founded in September 2006 and is now in use by  
>> the fifth generation of students.
>>
>> I have done similar assignments over the past years. Last year we  
>> had 35 students.
>>
>> About half the students ran into trouble, either having their entry  
>> deleted or having to rename it, change topic and so on.
>>
>> Please read their exciting reports here: http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/ 
>> .
>>
>> Another way to navigate could be the tag cloud: http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/tag/wikipedia/ 
>> .
>>
>> Here you can find photos of the three classes: http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/about/ 
>> .
>>
>> At least half of the students are from outside the Netherlands, and  
>> more than half female.
>>
>> Best, Geert
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cpov mailing list
>> cpov at listcultures.org
>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> cpov at listcultures.org
> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org

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From majava at ifi.uio.no  Fri Oct  8 14:03:35 2010
From: majava at ifi.uio.no (Maja van der Velden)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:03:35 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> Interesting read!
Message-ID: <E3B2FBF2-AD69-4BA9-974B-B7999F595EB3@ifi.uio.no>

"Enthusiasts for social media would no doubt have us believe that  
King?s task in Birmingham would have been made infinitely easier had  
he been able to communicate with his followers through Facebook, and  
contented himself with tweets from a Birmingham jail. But networks are  
messy: think of the ceaseless pattern of correction and revision,  
amendment and debate, that characterizes Wikipedia. If Martin Luther  
King, Jr., had tried to do a wiki-boycott in Montgomery, he would have  
been steamrollered by the white power structure. And of what use would  
a digital communication tool be in a town where ninety-eight per cent  
of the black community could be reached every Sunday morning at  
church? The things that King needed in Birmingham?discipline and  
strategy?were things that online social media cannot provide."

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/10/04/101004fa_fact_gladwell?printable=true&currentPage=all#ixzz11lfMtQ6s

M.
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From nathaniel.stern at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 14:11:13 2010
From: nathaniel.stern at gmail.com (Nathaniel Stern)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 07:11:13 -0500
Subject: <CPOV> Wikipedia Art
Message-ID: <B045B2C9-0FBB-4FA9-B5E8-0DD0E52D777A@gmail.com>

Hello all!

I wanted to let the CPOV folks know that Wikipedia Art, the project that Scott Kildall and I presented in India (and he presented in Amsterdam), is one of seven nominated finalists for the Transmediale 2011 Award, in Berlin. We submit our draft paper for the CPOV book as part of our entry. Perhaps this bit of publicity will help raise awareness of the kind of research and discussion we're engaging in here. 

http://www.transmediale.de/en/awards2011

Wish us luck for the awards ceremony in February! Warmly,

nathaniel
http://nathanielstern.com






From joseph.2008 at reagle.org  Fri Oct  8 14:46:16 2010
From: joseph.2008 at reagle.org (Joseph Reagle)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 08:46:16 -0400
Subject: <CPOV> Interesting read!
In-Reply-To: <E3B2FBF2-AD69-4BA9-974B-B7999F595EB3@ifi.uio.no>
References: <E3B2FBF2-AD69-4BA9-974B-B7999F595EB3@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <201010080846.16479.joseph.2008@reagle.org>

On Friday, October 08, 2010, Maja van der Velden wrote:
> been steamrollered by the white power structure. And of what use would  
> a digital communication tool be in a town where ninety-eight per cent  
> of the black community could be reached every Sunday morning at  
> church? The things that King needed in Birmingham?discipline and  
> strategy?were things that online social media cannot provide."

I enjoyed this piece and appreciate his argument. While counter-factual history is a very speculative undertaking it can be provocative and prompt us to check our assumptions.



From dqamir at bezeqint.net  Mon Oct 11 19:25:16 2010
From: dqamir at bezeqint.net (Dror Kamir)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:25:16 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> Judaism, bus-stops and the question of original research
Message-ID: <4CB3487C.4050709@bezeqint.net>



Hi,

There is nothing new about this idea, but it is still well preformed 
(just like Shakespeare can be performed on stage over and over again, as 
long as it is done in an impressive way :-) ).

This article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_bus_stops 
(naturally nominated for deletion) is an attempt to prove that 
well-phrased well-sourced article can be written about any subject.

Wikipedia has a rule of "no synthesis", namely that creating a theory by 
combining existing well-established theories or fragments of theories is 
considered "original research", hence forbidden. However, this article 
shows quite nicely that this rule is very hard to implement, since 
novelty (or in this case, absurd) can be spotted only if one has strong 
intuition about its inconsistency with contemporary common knowledge. 
Actually, this article begs the conclusion that original research is 
like pornography - we cannot define it, but we know it when we see it, 
if our minds are conformed with the mainstream of cultural behavior. But 
please resist the begging and tell me if you think there are other 
conclusions :-)

Dror

PS - Where I live, whenever someone bring a pompous yet totally 
pointless topic for discussion, there goes the saying, "We might as well 
talk about 'The Elephant and the Jewish Question'". I had to bring some 
elephant into the picture...




From dqamir at bezeqint.net  Mon Oct 11 19:33:38 2010
From: dqamir at bezeqint.net (Dror Kamir)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:33:38 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> Judaism, bus-stops and the question of original research
In-Reply-To: <4CB3487C.4050709@bezeqint.net>
References: <4CB3487C.4050709@bezeqint.net>
Message-ID: <4CB34A72.7020009@bezeqint.net>



Oh, and I forgot to bring you this link for the deletion debate. It is 
fascinating: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Judaism_and_bus_stops, 
especially the suggestion to "correct" the article by changing its title 
to "Judaism and transport". I also forgot to give credit to the Wikibias 
blog, where I found the links to all this 
http://wikibias.com/2010/10/judaism-and-bus-stops/

Dror

?????? 11/10/10 19:25, ????? Dror Kamir:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> There is nothing new about this idea, but it is still well preformed 
> (just like Shakespeare can be performed on stage over and over again, 
> as long as it is done in an impressive way :-) ).
>
> This article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_bus_stops 
> (naturally nominated for deletion) is an attempt to prove that 
> well-phrased well-sourced article can be written about any subject.
>
> Wikipedia has a rule of "no synthesis", namely that creating a theory 
> by combining existing well-established theories or fragments of 
> theories is considered "original research", hence forbidden. However, 
> this article shows quite nicely that this rule is very hard to 
> implement, since novelty (or in this case, absurd) can be spotted only 
> if one has strong intuition about its inconsistency with contemporary 
> common knowledge. Actually, this article begs the conclusion that 
> original research is like pornography - we cannot define it, but we 
> know it when we see it, if our minds are conformed with the mainstream 
> of cultural behavior. But please resist the begging and tell me if you 
> think there are other conclusions :-)
>
> Dror
>
> PS - Where I live, whenever someone bring a pompous yet totally 
> pointless topic for discussion, there goes the saying, "We might as 
> well talk about 'The Elephant and the Jewish Question'". I had to 
> bring some elephant into the picture...
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cpov mailing list
> cpov at listcultures.org
> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org
>



From besidelake at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 01:36:58 2010
From: besidelake at gmail.com (Zona Tsou)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:36:58 +0800
Subject: <CPOV> Judaism, bus-stops and the question of original research
In-Reply-To: <4CB3487C.4050709@bezeqint.net>
References: <4CB3487C.4050709@bezeqint.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=UW5uigy3fe3qpHzQf0MNzj49BzvMOEd-KOWCr@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Dror,

   I wish there's a "like" that I can click on!  The comparison to
Shakespeare play is awesome and the analogy of pornography really brings out
the irony!  And oh, I remember you and your elephant~ ;)   Thank you for
sharing this!

Good luck with all the good work!!!

Best,
Zona :)

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Dror Kamir <dqamir at bezeqint.net> wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> There is nothing new about this idea, but it is still well preformed (just
> like Shakespeare can be performed on stage over and over again, as long as
> it is done in an impressive way :-) ).
>
> This article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_bus_stops (naturally
> nominated for deletion) is an attempt to prove that well-phrased
> well-sourced article can be written about any subject.
>
> Wikipedia has a rule of "no synthesis", namely that creating a theory by
> combining existing well-established theories or fragments of theories is
> considered "original research", hence forbidden. However, this article shows
> quite nicely that this rule is very hard to implement, since novelty (or in
> this case, absurd) can be spotted only if one has strong intuition about its
> inconsistency with contemporary common knowledge. Actually, this article
> begs the conclusion that original research is like pornography - we cannot
> define it, but we know it when we see it, if our minds are conformed with
> the mainstream of cultural behavior. But please resist the begging and tell
> me if you think there are other conclusions :-)
>
> Dror
>
> PS - Where I live, whenever someone bring a pompous yet totally pointless
> topic for discussion, there goes the saying, "We might as well talk about
> 'The Elephant and the Jewish Question'". I had to bring some elephant into
> the picture...
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cpov mailing list
> cpov at listcultures.org
> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org
>
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From nathanieltkacz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 07:43:30 2010
From: nathanieltkacz at gmail.com (nathaniel tkacz)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:43:30 +1100
Subject: <CPOV> article on collaboration and wikipedia
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVOT4bxDX+WygafFG_1PdUzffvq-X1QZhZrCte@mail.gmail.com>

hi all - i have recently published an article on the politics of mass
collaboration that uses a wikipedia entry as a case study. the article is
primarily about collaboration, and the section on wikipedia is quite
elementary, but it might be of interest anyhow. my basic argument is that we
need to develop a theory of collaboration that can also speak to the
conflicts and political realities of open projects.

http://www.culture-communication.unimelb.edu.au/platform/v2i2_tkacz.html


abstract:

*Working together to produce socio-technological objects, based on emergent
platforms of economic production, is of great importance in the task of
political transformation and the creation of new subjectivities.
Increasingly, ?collaboration? has become a veritable buzzword used to
describe the human associations that create such new media objects. In the
language of ?Web 2.0?, ?participatory culture?, ?user-generated content?,
?peer production? and the ?produser?, first and foremost we are all
collaborators. In this paper I investigate recent literature that stresses
the collaborative nature of Web 2.0, and in particular, works that address
the nascent processes of peer production. I contend that this material
positions such projects as what Chantal Mouffe has described as the
?post-political?; a fictitious space far divorced from the clamour of the
everyday. I analyse one Wikipedia entry to demonstrate the distance between
this post-political discourse of collaboration and the realities it
describes, and finish by arguing for a more politicised notion of
collaboration.*


Nate Tkacz

School of Culture and Communication
University of Melbourne

Twitter: http://twitter.com/__nate__

Current project: http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/cpov/about-2/
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From dqamir at bezeqint.net  Wed Oct 13 10:28:25 2010
From: dqamir at bezeqint.net (Dror Kamir)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:28:25 +0200
Subject: <CPOV>  article on collaboration and wikipedia
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From: dqamir at bezeqint.net (Dror Kamir)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:57:03 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> article on collaboration and wikipedia
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From jodi.schneider at deri.org  Thu Oct 14 13:11:20 2010
From: jodi.schneider at deri.org (Jodi Schneider)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:11:20 +0100
Subject: <CPOV> article on collaboration and wikipedia
In-Reply-To: <4CB5907F.3080608@bezeqint.net>
References: <AANLkTimVOT4bxDX+WygafFG_1PdUzffvq-X1QZhZrCte@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <E511F64E-87EA-4F0E-87E2-615E7EC2F2F6@deri.org>

Thanks for the recent discussions about Talk page research! 

There's a collaborative bibliography about Talk page research, currently at
http://www.citeulike.org/groupfunc/13905/home
If you publish or read about Talk pages, feel free to add work to this list. If you'd prefer, you can email me, and I'll add materials!

-Jodi
http://jodischneider.com
http://www.deri.ie/about/team/member/jodi_schneider/


On 13 Oct 2010, at 11:57, Dror Kamir wrote:

> Speaking about going over long tedious Wikipedia talk pages, I know Johanna has been exploring the issue of conflict and collaboration integration on Wikipedia from transnational and translingual perspectives. The case of Muhammad's depictions on the English- and German-language Wikipedias, with the political debates that developed around it, was one of her prominent test cases. I even had the privilege to give her an interview about my experience in the EN, HE and AR Wikipedias. I remember she presented some initial findings in the poster exhibition at Wikimania 2009 in Buenos Aires. I found the poster through her blog http://transnationalspaces.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/johanna-poster.pdf
> 
> All the best,
> Dror K
> 
> ?????? 13/10/10 10:28, ????? Dror Kamir:
>> 
>> Nate suggested that I forward this discussion to the mailing list, so here goes... (My reply precedes Nate's original message)
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For the time being I read only the paragraph dealing with the depictions of Muhammad. I should congratulate you for making the effort to go over a long, often tedious, Wikipedia talk page and extract such an interesting dialog from it. I often get frustrated just by seeing the number of pages, sub-pages, archives and strange acronyms included in such a debate.
>> 
>> One remark which is somewhat trivial - Basem3wad might might be unacquainted with Wikipedia, but the nick he chose for himself indicates some knowledge of the "Internet language". He uses spelling known among Arabic-speakers as "chat Arabic".This Latin-based transcription is popular among Arabic-speaking youths in text messages (SMS), Internet chats and for short messages in forums/FaceBook/Twitter. It is not used for long texts. In such cases, the writer takes the effort to switch his keyboard to AR and cater for the right-to-left parameters. The digit 3 represents the Arabic letter ? (Ayn), so the name is probably "Bassem Awad". Either it is his real name, or perhaps he chose a common Arab name as an alias (like "John Smith" in English). In any case he probably knows how to work his way through the cyberspace.
>> 
>> Wikipedia is afraid of controversies. The idea of reaching consensus is wrongly interpreted as "avoid controversy at all costs". The fear of edit war is second only to the fear of global nuclear war. And yet controversies are part of our knowledge. The fact that a consensus cannot be reached, not only among the scholars from whom we extract the information for the article, but also among the people who wish to write about the subject, is part of what we know about the issue. The traditional sources of information often hide these controversies, and I remember the feeling of "revelation" when I started my academic studies and found out that many things I had learned from traditional textbooks and encyclopedia are, in fact, highly controversial. Wikipedia has the advantage of having "talk pages" (a.k.a "discussion pages") and "history", but it still works persistently to strangle any controversy on its "display windows".
>> 
>> Most people who complained about the historical depictions of Muhammad were not acting in good faith, to the best of my judgment. I believe most of them were indeed trying to impose a certain radical view of Islam, and did not care too much about "scientific honesty". However, in the discussion you've brought, Basem3wad has a point. Wikipedia is not neutral, and worse than that - it does not have a consistent line of editing. When I read Time Magazine, for example, I know what to expect, more or less, and how to judge the material published. On Wikipedia, I often don't know how to interpret certain words, because I can't know for sure under which terms I should read the text (and the problem gets even worse if I read Wikipedia in more than one language). Since there is no consistent line of editing, it is indeed unclear how this Persian or Turkish depiction of Muhammad is relevant to the article. It is highly unlikely that it shows a genuine portrait of Muhammad, but in the articles about Aristotle or Josephus Flavius, Wikipedia has images of protomes that are likely to be genuine depictions of these people's faces. Since it is probably not Muhammad who is depicted there, how should the reader interpret their presentation on the article? Is it meant to show what people thought of Muhammad? Is it meant to show that Muslims were not apprehended in the past by physical depictions of Muhammad? Is it a call for Muslim to abandon the ban on such depiction? All of these interpretations are valid when there is no consistent line of edit.
>> 
>> Dror K 
>> 
>> ?????? 13/10/10 07:43, ????? nathaniel tkacz:
>>> hi all - i have recently published an article on the politics of mass collaboration that uses a wikipedia entry as a case study. the article is primarily about collaboration, and the section on wikipedia is quite elementary, but it might be of interest anyhow. my basic argument is that we need to develop a theory of collaboration that can also speak to the conflicts and political realities of open projects.
>>> 
>>> http://www.culture-communication.unimelb.edu.au/platform/v2i2_tkacz.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> abstract:
>>> 
>>> Working together to produce socio-technological objects, based on emergent platforms of economic production, is of great importance in the task of political transformation and the creation of new subjectivities. Increasingly, ?collaboration? has become a veritable buzzword used to describe the human associations that create such new media objects. In the language of ?Web 2.0?, ?participatory culture?, ?user-generated content?, ?peer production? and the ?produser?, first and foremost we are all collaborators. In this paper I investigate recent literature that stresses the collaborative nature of Web 2.0, and in particular, works that address the nascent processes of peer production. I contend that this material positions such projects as what Chantal Mouffe has described as the ?post-political?; a fictitious space far divorced from the clamour of the everyday. I analyse one Wikipedia entry to demonstrate the distance between this post-political discourse of collaboration and the realities it describes, and finish by arguing for a more politicised notion of collaboration.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Nate Tkacz 
>>> 
>>> School of Culture and Communication
>>> University of Melbourne
>>> 
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/__nate__
>>> 
>>> Current project: http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/cpov/about-2/
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cpov mailing list
>>> cpov at listcultures.org
>>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> cpov mailing list
>> cpov at listcultures.org
>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org
> _______________________________________________
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> cpov at listcultures.org
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From jodi.schneider at deri.org  Thu Oct 14 13:14:58 2010
From: jodi.schneider at deri.org (Jodi Schneider)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:14:58 +0100
Subject: <CPOV> article on collaboration and wikipedia
In-Reply-To: <E511F64E-87EA-4F0E-87E2-615E7EC2F2F6@deri.org>
References: <AANLkTimVOT4bxDX+WygafFG_1PdUzffvq-X1QZhZrCte@mail.gmail.com>
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Probably it's more useful to share the library location:
http://www.citeulike.org/group/13905

Sorry for the double post!
-Jodi

On 14 Oct 2010, at 12:11, Jodi Schneider wrote:

> Thanks for the recent discussions about Talk page research! 
> 
> There's a collaborative bibliography about Talk page research, currently at
> http://www.citeulike.org/groupfunc/13905/home
> If you publish or read about Talk pages, feel free to add work to this list. If you'd prefer, you can email me, and I'll add materials!
> 
> -Jodi
> http://jodischneider.com
> http://www.deri.ie/about/team/member/jodi_schneider/
> 
> 
> On 13 Oct 2010, at 11:57, Dror Kamir wrote:
> 
>> Speaking about going over long tedious Wikipedia talk pages, I know Johanna has been exploring the issue of conflict and collaboration integration on Wikipedia from transnational and translingual perspectives. The case of Muhammad's depictions on the English- and German-language Wikipedias, with the political debates that developed around it, was one of her prominent test cases. I even had the privilege to give her an interview about my experience in the EN, HE and AR Wikipedias. I remember she presented some initial findings in the poster exhibition at Wikimania 2009 in Buenos Aires. I found the poster through her blog http://transnationalspaces.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/johanna-poster.pdf
>> 
>> All the best,
>> Dror K
>> 
>> ?????? 13/10/10 10:28, ????? Dror Kamir:
>>> 
>>> Nate suggested that I forward this discussion to the mailing list, so here goes... (My reply precedes Nate's original message)
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> For the time being I read only the paragraph dealing with the depictions of Muhammad. I should congratulate you for making the effort to go over a long, often tedious, Wikipedia talk page and extract such an interesting dialog from it. I often get frustrated just by seeing the number of pages, sub-pages, archives and strange acronyms included in such a debate.
>>> 
>>> One remark which is somewhat trivial - Basem3wad might might be unacquainted with Wikipedia, but the nick he chose for himself indicates some knowledge of the "Internet language". He uses spelling known among Arabic-speakers as "chat Arabic".This Latin-based transcription is popular among Arabic-speaking youths in text messages (SMS), Internet chats and for short messages in forums/FaceBook/Twitter. It is not used for long texts. In such cases, the writer takes the effort to switch his keyboard to AR and cater for the right-to-left parameters. The digit 3 represents the Arabic letter ? (Ayn), so the name is probably "Bassem Awad". Either it is his real name, or perhaps he chose a common Arab name as an alias (like "John Smith" in English). In any case he probably knows how to work his way through the cyberspace.
>>> 
>>> Wikipedia is afraid of controversies. The idea of reaching consensus is wrongly interpreted as "avoid controversy at all costs". The fear of edit war is second only to the fear of global nuclear war. And yet controversies are part of our knowledge. The fact that a consensus cannot be reached, not only among the scholars from whom we extract the information for the article, but also among the people who wish to write about the subject, is part of what we know about the issue. The traditional sources of information often hide these controversies, and I remember the feeling of "revelation" when I started my academic studies and found out that many things I had learned from traditional textbooks and encyclopedia are, in fact, highly controversial. Wikipedia has the advantage of having "talk pages" (a.k.a "discussion pages") and "history", but it still works persistently to strangle any controversy on its "display windows".
>>> 
>>> Most people who complained about the historical depictions of Muhammad were not acting in good faith, to the best of my judgment. I believe most of them were indeed trying to impose a certain radical view of Islam, and did not care too much about "scientific honesty". However, in the discussion you've brought, Basem3wad has a point. Wikipedia is not neutral, and worse than that - it does not have a consistent line of editing. When I read Time Magazine, for example, I know what to expect, more or less, and how to judge the material published. On Wikipedia, I often don't know how to interpret certain words, because I can't know for sure under which terms I should read the text (and the problem gets even worse if I read Wikipedia in more than one language). Since there is no consistent line of editing, it is indeed unclear how this Persian or Turkish depiction of Muhammad is relevant to the article. It is highly unlikely that it shows a genuine portrait of Muhammad, but in the articles about Aristotle or Josephus Flavius, Wikipedia has images of protomes that are likely to be genuine depictions of these people's faces. Since it is probably not Muhammad who is depicted there, how should the reader interpret their presentation on the article? Is it meant to show what people thought of Muhammad? Is it meant to show that Muslims were not apprehended in the past by physical depictions of Muhammad? Is it a call for Muslim to abandon the ban on such depiction? All of these interpretations are valid when there is no consistent line of edit.
>>> 
>>> Dror K 
>>> 
>>> ?????? 13/10/10 07:43, ????? nathaniel tkacz:
>>>> hi all - i have recently published an article on the politics of mass collaboration that uses a wikipedia entry as a case study. the article is primarily about collaboration, and the section on wikipedia is quite elementary, but it might be of interest anyhow. my basic argument is that we need to develop a theory of collaboration that can also speak to the conflicts and political realities of open projects.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.culture-communication.unimelb.edu.au/platform/v2i2_tkacz.html
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> abstract:
>>>> 
>>>> Working together to produce socio-technological objects, based on emergent platforms of economic production, is of great importance in the task of political transformation and the creation of new subjectivities. Increasingly, ?collaboration? has become a veritable buzzword used to describe the human associations that create such new media objects. In the language of ?Web 2.0?, ?participatory culture?, ?user-generated content?, ?peer production? and the ?produser?, first and foremost we are all collaborators. In this paper I investigate recent literature that stresses the collaborative nature of Web 2.0, and in particular, works that address the nascent processes of peer production. I contend that this material positions such projects as what Chantal Mouffe has described as the ?post-political?; a fictitious space far divorced from the clamour of the everyday. I analyse one Wikipedia entry to demonstrate the distance between this post-political discourse of collaboration and the realities it describes, and finish by arguing for a more politicised notion of collaboration.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Nate Tkacz 
>>>> 
>>>> School of Culture and Communication
>>>> University of Melbourne
>>>> 
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/__nate__
>>>> 
>>>> Current project: http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/cpov/about-2/
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> cpov mailing list
>>>> cpov at listcultures.org
>>>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cpov mailing list
>>> cpov at listcultures.org
>>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> cpov mailing list
>> cpov at listcultures.org
>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From piokon at post.pl  Fri Oct 15 18:53:35 2010
From: piokon at post.pl (Piotr Konieczny)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:53:35 -0400
Subject: <CPOV> UvA students create new Wikipedia entries and blog about
	it
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Dear Gert,

I read the information about your course here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2010-10-11/In_the_news

Are you aware that Wikipedia has a place collecting resources designed  
to help all teachers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects

You also mention that many of your students' articles were deleted; I  
address this particular problem in my teaching with Wikipedia workshop  
you can see here: http://www.wikisym.org/ws2010/Teaching+with+Wikipedia+and+other+Wikimedia+Foundation+wikis

PS. Feel free to forward my reply to the <CPOV> list (I am not a  
member there).

-- 
Piotr Konieczny
PhD Candidate
Dept of Sociology
Uni of Pittsburgh




From joseph.2008 at reagle.org  Tue Oct 19 15:23:48 2010
From: joseph.2008 at reagle.org (Joseph Reagle)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:23:48 -0400
Subject: <CPOV> post-political
Message-ID: <201010190923.48817.joseph.2008@reagle.org>


Nate, I recently enjoyed reading your "Wikipedia and the Politics of Mass Collaboration" and had some thoughts to share.

1. One can certainly find instances of hyperbole with respect to Web 2.0, but I think most scholars appreciate and represent these are not idyllic pastures where harmony reigns. For example, Shirky frequently talks about the merits and demerits of openness, as well as the need to balance such values to take advantage of any shifts that occur from the underlying technology. However, I do like the use of Mouffe's idea of political as those things that are irreducibly and radically different and not amendable to consensus processes. As someone that chaired working groups and taught conflict management, I would like to think there's frequently more room for give-and-take than people initially acknowledge, but some things cannot be decided by consensus even among contributors of good faith, and they must resort some other means. (Arbitration, Wales, voting, etc.).
2. I think it is interesting that you compare Wikipedia relative to Spehr's notion of free cooperation, but at the same time note that probably no working collaboration could conceivably be "free." This also reminded me of efforts to compare various forms of online organization against Habermas' normative ideals -- I don't think anyone assumes that you will ever find an "ideal speech situation" of actual substance. 
3. Finally, I appreciate your point that we shouldn't assume Wikipedia is post-political, but what next? Do we need to then examine the values that are brought to bear in discussions about and within Wikipedia?

-- 
Regards,         
Joseph Reagle                    http://reagle.org/joseph/
(Perhaps using speech recognition, sorry for any speakos.)



From nathanieltkacz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 02:51:12 2010
From: nathanieltkacz at gmail.com (nathaniel tkacz)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:51:12 +1100
Subject: <CPOV> post-political
In-Reply-To: <201010190923.48817.joseph.2008@reagle.org>
References: <201010190923.48817.joseph.2008@reagle.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=4Jg6PdJD2mCjoeNKvLRDz50_UPHs8gPfWOhWx@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Joseph,

Thanks for your comments. My replies are interspersed:

> 1. One can certainly find instances of hyperbole with respect to Web 2.0,
but I think most scholars appreciate and represent these are not idyllic
pastures where harmony reigns. For example, Shirky frequently talks about
the merits and demerits of openness, as well as the need to balance such
values to take advantage of any shifts that occur from the underlying
technology. However, I do like the use of Mouffe's idea of political as
those things that are irreducibly and radically different and not amendable
to consensus processes. As someone that chaired working groups and taught
conflict management, I would like to think there's frequently more room for
give-and-take than people initially acknowledge, but some things cannot be
decided by consensus even among contributors of good faith, and they must
resort some other means. (Arbitration, Wales, voting, etc.).

Nate: I certainly agree that not everyone is the same on this issue
and Shirky (as well as yourself) is much more sober. There are, of
course, always differences and subtleties that are washed over when
generalizing. However, for me it's a question of language. I think
there is something in the way that collaboration is used that
positions it as post-political. Even many of the better commentators
have traces of this in their writings, and even while complicating it in
other areas. I tried to show through Benkler how collaboration is a kind of
"default" way of talking about the kind of work that gets done in open
projects, but that the term itself is very rarely considered. Everyone
agrees they are collaborating but very few people spend time to think
about what that means. Moreover, I think there is something about the
term that makes it less easy to think about conflict and other
"political" situations. It's like you have to work against the
language.


> 2. I think it is interesting that you compare Wikipedia relative to
Spehr's notion of free cooperation, but at the same time note that probably
no working collaboration could conceivably be "free." This also reminded me
of efforts to compare various forms of online organization against Habermas'
normative ideals -- I don't think anyone assumes that you will ever find an
"ideal speech situation" of actual substance.

Nate: I agree. I wanted to use Spehr because he talks about domination
and because he provides a list of criteria. I also like how he reminds
us that collaboration isn't something unique to open projects. He
reminds us that we are always collaborating (or cooperating, which is
not the same but is very similar in his usage) and therefore our
attention must be drawn to what type of collaboration we are dealing
with.

> 3. Finally, I appreciate your point that we shouldn't assume Wikipedia is
post-political, but what next? Do we need to then examine the values that
are brought to bear in discussions about and within Wikipedia?

Nate: The inevitable "what next" question! Examining values, as you
put it, is worthwhile. It is very difficult to make general comments
about Wikipedia "it needs to do or be this..." because how do you talk
about something that isn't a unity? I would say, for example, that the
idea that universal knowledge can be *collected* is a very naive idea.
This is how Wales talks about it: "we're gathering knowledge". It's a
leftover of the positivist tradition. However, if I were to make a
case against that other people wold simply say "we know that's wrong,
we don't think that". What I'm trying to do in my thesis is develop a
method for talking about "force" and "organisation" (which resonates
more or less with ideas about "the political" or simply "power").
However, open projects are very unique in several senses: new modes of
organising, new terms, etc. This means that many of the traditional
resources of critique don't apply. In fact, open projects perform their
own critique (of the commodity form, for example). And when I say
"critique" I don't mean to criticise or nay-say, but to develop
insights outside the immediate - shall we say, instrumental - concerns
of the project and its members. For me, critique is both a source of
agency and generative of transformation. This doesn't mean we go out
and create another Wikipedia necessarily. Transformation can take many
forms and can be a simple as an altered perspective (the philosophical
equivalent here is Deleuze's notion of "incorporeal transformation").
Thus, my "what next" is to try and think about how force is organised
in things that are labeled collaborative, participatory, open etc.


Thanks again for you comments Joseph. I still trying to get around to your
book!

Best,

Nate
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From Mayo.Fuster at EUI.eu  Thu Oct 21 01:14:02 2010
From: Mayo.Fuster at EUI.eu (Fuster, Mayo)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 01:14:02 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> International Forum on Access to Culture and Knowledge in
	the Digital Era: Barcelona 28 -31 October 2010
Message-ID: <541ACB467A01CD4BA5B525CE923FB835075397@MAILSRV3.iue.private>

(English, Catal?, Castellano) 


ENGLISH 

Yes, OXCARS (The biggest free/libre event ever) and International Forum on Access to Culture and Knowledge in the Digital Era ? Organization and Action (FCForum) are back!
 (Barcelona & online)

Oxcars: 28 October, 21?? h ? Sala Apolo, Nou de la Rambla, 113, Barcelona. Metro: Paral.lel
Fcforum: 28 -31 October, http://www.fcforum.net/10

Like every other year ? and this one more than ever ? EXGAE invites everybody to participate in the 3rd oXcars edition, the greatest free culture event of all times, in collaboration with Conservas and Telenoika -also EXGAE members- and this year with the help of Red SOStenible and the social networks.



Artists from all the spheres of national and international culture participate in a full surprise gala for demanding that culture stop being a merchandise of the cultural industries lobbies. In the name of the ?artists? they put obstacles on our access to? knowledge even though artist don?t support them. The civil society reclaim the lost profit to all knowledge that is being retained and steal from the public use in the name of? private benefits. We don?t want to nurture generations of cultural parasites, we want a cultural field, alive and productive.


Over 100 artists will contribute on this 100% SGAE-free event (SGAE = Spanish General Society of authors and editors), including the writer Jos? Luis Sampedro, member of the Royal Spanish Academy (RAE), the writer Bel?n Gopegui, and the famous gastroblogger Txaber Allu?, as well as At Versaris, Kate Madison, Akram Khan, Ploomba, Koulomek and other surprises that we?re not going to give away, like an starting appearance of the Pinkertones.


October 28th, 21?? hrs.- Sala Apolo, Nou de la Rambla, 113, Barcelona Metro: Paral.lel


Tickets for the oxcards: Help bonus already on sale (3,55?)
 here; http://www.codetickets.com/sala-apolo/es/sala-apolo.com/566/  Or buy them at Calle Sant Pau 58 Bajos ? Barcelona ? Monday to Friday 10h to 14h and 17h to 20h ? Phone 933020630


And, then
 The FCForum 2010


Citizens will continue to work on the task of conceiving a digital era that is sustainable and benefits everybody. The oXcars will be followed by the 3-day FCForum, the 2nd? International Forum on Access to Culture and Knowledge in the Digital Era, which is organised by EXGAE together with the international FCForum platform, in collaboration with Arts Santa M?nica.


The FCForum 2010 will assemble the main organisations and active voices in the world of Culture, free/libre knowledge and the new forms of cultural production and distribution..

Among the more than 50 participants, will be Johanna Blakley, an American researcher on global entertainment with the exciting thesis that the key of the success of the fashion industry is no intellectual property. 


Notorious examples of New Cultural Entrepreneurs will come, like the Americans Kickstarter, whose business model is being the facilitators between the artist, fans and producers. Their most recent commercial prodigy: raising 30.000 dollars in 3 days for the production of the documentary about The Pirate Bay, ?The world?s most resilient bittorrent site?.


The former creator of the legendary The Pirate Bay will also come: Magnus Eriksson and Peter Sunde, who recently created Flattr.com, a micropayments system for downloading content that works like? an Internet tip jar.


The Germans from Freibank will also come. After the experiences on the famous band Einst?rzende Neubauten, they set up a distribution cooperative of copyright.


We will also count with the presence of Peter Jenner, best known as Pink Floyd?s manager. He also represented artists like T Rex, Ian Dury, Roy Harper and The Clash.


The FCForum is a open space to all citizens, to everybody who is seriously working towards achieving a legal and economically sustainable future. For citizens and for artists. The SGAE has always refused to participate.


Check out the programe: http://2010.fcforum.net/program/

See you there!

How to join the Fcforum online? 
OXCARS 2010: http://oxcars10.exgae.net/en/
FCForum 2010
: http://2010.fcforum.net/en
Contact: contact[a]exgae.net 

Live streaming: 
oXcars: http://oxcars10.exgae.net/en/live/
Fcforum: http://2010.fcforum.net/live/

Microblogging:
Identi.ca at @fcforum
Twitter at @fcforum_net
http://twitter.com/exgae
Facebook:http://www.facebook.com/FcForum?ref=ts 


S?, Tornen els Oxcars (el major esdeveniment de cultura lliure de tots els temps) i el F?rum internacional d?acc?s a la cultura i al coneixement en l?era digital ? Organitzaci? i Acci? 2010 (FCF?rum)!


Oxcars: 28 d?Octubre, 21?? h ? Sala Apolo, Nou de la Rambla, 113 Barcelona Metro: Paral.lel

Fcforum: 28 -31 d'Octubre, http://www.fcforum.net/10


Com cada any ? i aquest any m?s que mai ? EXGAE convida tothom a participar en la 3? edici? dels oXcars, el major esdeveniment de cultura lliure de tots els temps, en col?laboraci? amb Conservas i Telenoika, tamb? membres d?EXGAE, i, aquest any, amb l?ajuda de Red SOStenible i les xarxes socials, com no!



Artistes de tots els ?mbit de la cultura nacional i internacional participen en una gala plena de sorpreses per demanar que la cultura deixi de ser una mercaderia en mans dels lobbies de les ind?stries. En nom dels ?artistes?, es posen traves al nostre acc?s al coneixement, per? els artistes no els donen suport. La societat civil reclama el lucre cessant de tot el coneixement que s?est? retenint i sostraient a l??s p?blic en nom de beneficis privats. No volem cultivar generacions de par?sits culturals, volem un territori cultural viu i productiu.


Artistes com l?escriptor Jos? Luis Sampedro, membre de la RAE, l?escriptora Bel?n Gopegui, el c?lebre gastrobloguer Txaber Allu?, a m?s a m?s d?At Versaris; Kate Madison; Akram Khan; Reactable; Ploomba; Koulomek i altres sorpreses que no anem a contar-vos, com l?aparici? eXtel?lar de Pinkertones brillaran en aquesta edici?.



28 d?Octubre, 21?? h ? Sala Apolo, Nou de la Rambla, 113 Metro: Paral.lel

Ja a la venda el bonus d?ajuda per als oXcars

Venda online (3,55?)
: http://www.codetickets.com/sala-apolo/es/sala-apolo.com/566/
Venda en m? (3 euros): Carrer Sant Pau 58 Baixos ? Barcelona ? De dilluns a divendres de 10h a

14h i de 17h a 20h ? tel 933020630


Y, a continuaci?

Fcf?rum 2010

Des de la ciutadania continuarem treballant per plantejar junts una era digital sostenible i profitosa per tots. Despr?s dels oXcars comencen els tres dies de l?FCF?rum, el F?rum internacional d?acc?s a la cultura i al coneixement en l?era digital en la seva segona edici? ? que EXGAE realitza conjuntament amb la plataforma internacional FcF?rum i en col?laboraci? amb Arts Santa M?nica.

L?FcF?rum 2010 t? com t?tol aquest any ?Nous models de sostenibilitat en l?era digital? i congregar? les principals organitzacions i veus actives en el m?n de la cultura, el coneixement lliure i les noves formes de producci? i distribuci? de la cultura.


Entre els m?s de 50 participants voldr?em destacar el treball de Johanna Blakley, investigadora sobre la cultura de l?entreteniment, qui sost? la tesi que l??xit de la ind?stria de la moda radique en l?abs?ncia de propietat intel?lectual.


Vindran destacables exemples de Nous Empresaris Culturals, com els estatunidencs // Nordamericans dels EUA// Kickstarter, els quals operen sobre un model de negoci basat en ser facilitadors entre l?artista, els fans i els productors. El seu recent prodigi comercial: aconseguir 30.000 d?lars en tres dies per a la producci? del documental sobre el llegendari portal de desc?rregues The Pirate Bay.


A m?s, comptarem amb els creadors originals de The Pirate Bay: Magnus Eriksson i Peter Sunde, el qual ha creat Flattr.com, una empresa de microcr?dits per descarregar continguts com un pot de propines en l?Internet.


Estaran presents tamb? els alemanys de Freibank, els quals despr?s de l?experi?ncia del m?tic grup Einst?rzende Neubauten, muntaren una cooperativa de distribuci? dels drets d?autor.

Comptarem amb Peter Jenner, c?lebre manager de Pink Floyd, qui ha representat tamb? a artistes com T Rex, Ian Dury, Roy Harper i The Clash.


L?FcF?rum ?s un espai obert a tota la ciutadania, a tots els agents els quals s?estan platejant seriosament un futur legal i econ?micament sostenible. Tant per ciutadans, com per artistes.

Ens veiem all?!


Tota la informaci? i com participar des de la xarxa:

OXCARS 2010: http://oxcars10.exgae.net/ca
FCForum 2010
: http://2010.fcforum.net/ca/
Contacte: contact[a]exgae.net 

Retransmisi? en viu:  
oXcars: http://oxcars10.exgae.net/en/live/
Fcforum: http://2010.fcforum.net/live/

Microblogging:
Identi.ca at @fcforum
Twitter at @fcforum_net
http://twitter.com/exgae
Facebook:http://www.facebook.com/FcForum?ref=ts


CASTELLANO


S?, ?Vuelven la Gran Gala de los oXcars y el FCForum: Foro Internacional de Acceso a la Cultura y el Conocimiento en la Era Digital ? Organizaci?n y Acci?n 2010 (FCForum)!



Como cada a?o ? y este a?o m?s que nunca ? EXGAE invita a todo el mundo a participar en la 3? edici?n de los oXcars, el mayor evento de cultura libre de todos los tiempos, en colaboraci?n con Conservas y Telenoika, tambi?n miembros de EXGAE, y, este a?o, con la ayuda de Red SOStenible y de las redes sociales ?C?mo no!.



Artistas de todos los ?mbitos de la cultura nacional e internacional participan en una gala llena de sorpresas para pedir que la cultura deje de ser una mercanc?a en manos de los lobbies de las industrias culturales. En nombre de los ?artistas?, se ponen trabas a nuestro acceso al conocimiento, pero los artistas no las respaldan. La sociedad civil reclama el lucro cesante de todo el conocimiento que se esta reteniendo y sustrayendo al uso p?blico en nombre de beneficios privados. No queremos cultivar generaciones de par?sitos culturales, queremos un territorio cultural vivo y productivo.


Artistas como el escritor Jos? Luis Sampedro, miembro de la RAE, la escritora Bel?n Gopegui, el c?lebre gastrobloguer Txaber Allu?, adem?s de? At Versaris; Kate Madison; Akram Khan; Reactable; Ploomba; Koulomek y otras sorpresas que no os vamos a contar como la aparici?n eXtelar de Pinkertones brillar?n en esta edici?n.


28 de Octubre, 21?? hrs.- Sala Apolo, Nou de la Rambla, 113, Barcelona. Metro: Paral.lel

Ya a la venta el bono de ayuda para los oXCARs (3,55?)

Venta online: http://www.codetickets.com/sala-apolo/es/sala-apolo.com/566/
Venta en mano (3 euros): Calle Sant Pau 58 Bajos ? Barcelona ? De lunes a viernes de 10h a 14h y de 17h a 20h ? tel 933020630


Y, a continuaci?n
 FCForum 2010


Desde la ciudadan?a seguiremos trabajando para plantear juntos una era digital sostenible y provechosa para todos. Despu?s de los oXcars comienzan los tres d?as del FCForum, el Foro Internacional de Acceso a la Cultura y el Conocimiento en la Era Digital en su segunda edici?n, que EXGAE realiza conjuntamente con la plataforma internacional FCForum y en colaboraci?n con Arts Santa M?nica.


El FCforum 2010 tiene como t?tulo este a?o ?Nuevos modelos de sostenibilidad en la era digital? y congregar? las principales organizaciones y voces activas en el mundo de la cultura, del conocimiento libre y de las nuevas formas de producci?n y distribuci?n de la cultura.


De entre los m?s de 50 participantes querr?amos destacar el trabajo de? Johanna Blakley, investigadora sobre la cultura del entretenimiento, quien abraza la tesis de que el ?xito de la industria de la moda radica en la ausencia de propiedad intelectual.


Vendr?n notables ejemplos de Nuevos Empresarios Culturales, como los americanos Kickstarter, cuyo modelo de negocios se basa en ser facilitadores entre el artista, sus fans y los productores. Su prodigio comercial m?s reciente: conseguir 30.000 d?lares en tres d?as para la producci?n del documental sobre el legendario portal de descargas The Pirate Bay.


Adem?s contaremos con los creadores originales de The Pirate Bay: Magnus Eriksson y Peter Sunde, quien ha creado Flattr.com, una empresa de microcr?ditos para descargar contenidos que funciona como un bote de propinas en internet.


Estar?n presentes tambi?n, los alemanes de Freibank, que tras la experiencia del m?tico grupo Einst?rzende Neubauten, montaron una cooperativa de distribuci?n de los derechos de autor.

Contaremos con la presencia de Peter Jenner, c?lebre manager de Pink Floyd que ha representado tambi?n a artistas como T Rex, Ian Dury, Roy Harper y The Clash.


El FCForum es un espacio abierto a toda la ciudadan?a, a todos los agentes que seriamente se est?n planteando un futuro legal y econ?micamente sostenible. Tanto para ciudadanos como artistas.

Nos vemos all?!


Toda la informaci?n y como participar desde la red:
OXCARS 2010: http://oxcars10.exgae.net/
FCForum 2010
: http://2010.fcforum.net/es/
Contacto: contact[a]exgae.net 

Retransmisi?n en vivo:  
oXcars: http://oxcars10.exgae.net/en/live/
Fcforum: http://2010.fcforum.net/live/

Microblogging:
Identi.ca at @fcforum
Twitter at @fcforum_net
http://twitter.com/exgae
Facebook:http://www.facebook.com/FcForum?ref=ts 



???`?.(*?.?(`?.? ?.??)?.?*).??`??
????*???? Mayo Fuster Morell ?.?.?*?`??
???`?.(?.??(?.?* *?.?)`?.?).??`??

Research Digital Commons Governance: http://www.onlinecreation.info

Ph.D European University Institute 
Research collaborator. Institute of Govern and Public Policies. Autonomous University of Barcelona.
Visiting researcher. School of information. University of California, Berkeley.

Phone Italy: 0039-3312805010 or 0039-0558409982
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From Johanna.Niesyto at uni-siegen.de  Mon Oct 25 12:58:00 2010
From: Johanna.Niesyto at uni-siegen.de (Niesyto, Johanna)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:58:00 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> ??watching = rating??
Message-ID: <4109080A6B8F554E9C8EFDCA3DE7500FC774E178E8@MAIL40.uni-siegen.de>


Hello everyone,

in line with the Swiss wikibu project (http://www.wikibu.ch/about.php), the German project wikiwatch -- started by the Europa Universitaet Viadrina -- went online with a beta-version. The project strives to evaluate Wikipedia content based on criteria such as number of source references or number of inlinks from other Wikpedia articles (http://blog.wiki-watch.de/?p=80) The project seems to like the idea of transparency by offering statistical background information and a rating scale. In the German language Wikipedia:Kurier, reactions to the project are rather sceptical from doubting the validity of the rating scale to feeling negatively criticised by the project's name 'watch'.

In my view, the project contributes like any other Wikipedia or non-Wikipedia tool to an understanding of Wikipedia articles and article (co)production in statistical terms while the idea of 'media watching' implies much more. I might sound old-fashioned but in terms of public watching transparency-, validity- and orientation-giving cannot not be reduced to a rating and like-culture. What is needed are not only statistical tools but a vivid public discussion.

The project's Website (de): http://www.wiki-watch.de/
Reactions in Wikipedia:Kurier (de): http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kurier

Bests
Johanna


From mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au  Mon Oct 25 13:50:11 2010
From: mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au (Mathieu ONeil)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:50:11 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> Submissions for the CPoV reader
In-Reply-To: <4109080A6B8F554E9C8EFDCA3DE7500FC774E178E8@MAIL40.uni-siegen.de>
References: <4109080A6B8F554E9C8EFDCA3DE7500FC774E178E8@MAIL40.uni-siegen.de>
Message-ID: <fbdfb2913dd2c.4cc58b13@anu.edu.au>

Hi there CPOvers

Now that Juliana is no longer working on the project, I was wondering who was responsible for managing the submission process for the Reader?

All best,

Mathieu




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From nathanieltkacz at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 01:20:42 2010
From: nathanieltkacz at gmail.com (nathaniel tkacz)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:20:42 +1100
Subject: <CPOV> Submissions for the CPoV reader
In-Reply-To: <fbdfb2913dd2c.4cc58b13@anu.edu.au>
References: <4109080A6B8F554E9C8EFDCA3DE7500FC774E178E8@MAIL40.uni-siegen.de>
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Hi Mathieu, All - any queries regarding submissions can come through me.

best

Nate Tkacz

School of Culture and Communication
University of Melbourne

Twitter: http://twitter.com/__nate__

Research Page: http://nathanieltkacz.net

Current project: http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/cpov/about-2/


On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au>wrote:

> Hi there CPOvers
>
> Now that Juliana is no longer working on the project, I was wondering who
> was responsible for managing the submission process for the Reader?
>
> All best,
>
> Mathieu
>
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From joseph.2008 at reagle.org  Tue Oct 26 19:58:39 2010
From: joseph.2008 at reagle.org (Joseph Reagle)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:58:39 -0400
Subject: <CPOV> So has anyone else seen Truth in Numbers?
Message-ID: <201010261358.40290.joseph.2008@reagle.org>


So has anyone else seen Truth in Numbers [1]? I watched it online at the end of last week (as noted here [2].) I understand some Wikipedians construed it as an attack...? I can see that, though I didn't think the film was an unreasonable take. I thought it was well produced, and generally enjoyed the talking heads from all POVs -- with one exception.

[1]: http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/truth_in_numbers_everything_according_to_wikipedia/
[2]: http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/social/wikipedia/truth-in-advertising






From Johanna.Niesyto at uni-siegen.de  Wed Oct 27 10:11:48 2010
From: Johanna.Niesyto at uni-siegen.de (Niesyto, Johanna)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:11:48 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> So has anyone else seen Truth in Numbers?
Message-ID: <4109080A6B8F554E9C8EFDCA3DE7500FC774E178F9@MAIL40.uni-siegen.de>

Hi Joseph

I watched it in July in Gdansk when it was screened for the first time for the Wikimania 2010. I personally thought it was a bit too much Wales-Keen-centred and the title is catchy but might be misleading -- we know that core editing is not so much about numbers... The discussion afterwards alluded to the question of how a film can be balanced and what a documentary and npov have in common. While film has its own logic and idea of 'authorship', there were also questions concerning the commercial model of film distrubution. Also the 'edit button' was missed by some 'Wikimaniacs' -- they would  love to see the huge amount of  raw material online, so that everyone can take another look ... or even cut a film? I don't know if the material is online yet. However I did very much enjoy to watch the film on the Wikimania as two different media formats talked to eachother...

Grz
Johanna

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Von: cpov-bounces at listcultures.org [cpov-bounces at listcultures.org] im Auftrag von Joseph Reagle [joseph.2008 at reagle.org]
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An: cpov at listcultures.org
Betreff: <CPOV> So has anyone else seen Truth in Numbers?

So has anyone else seen Truth in Numbers [1]? I watched it online at the end of last week (as noted here [2].) I understand some Wikipedians construed it as an attack...? I can see that, though I didn't think the film was an unreasonable take. I thought it was well produced, and generally enjoyed the talking heads from all POVs -- with one exception.

[1]: http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/truth_in_numbers_everything_according_to_wikipedia/
[2]: http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/social/wikipedia/truth-in-advertising




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From jfelipe at libresoft.es  Wed Oct 27 16:25:28 2010
From: jfelipe at libresoft.es (Felipe Ortega)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:25:28 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> So has anyone else seen Truth in Numbers?
In-Reply-To: <4109080A6B8F554E9C8EFDCA3DE7500FC774E178F9@MAIL40.uni-siegen.de>
References: <4109080A6B8F554E9C8EFDCA3DE7500FC774E178F9@MAIL40.uni-siegen.de>
Message-ID: <201010271625.33252.jfelipe@libresoft.es>

On Mi?rcoles, 27 de Octubre de 2010 10:11:48 Niesyto, Johanna escribi?:
> Hi Joseph
> 
> I watched it in July in Gdansk when it was screened for the first time for
> the Wikimania 2010. I personally thought it was a bit too much
> Wales-Keen-centred and the title is catchy but might be misleading -- we
> know that core editing is not so much about numbers... The discussion
> afterwards alluded to the question of how a film can be balanced and what
> a documentary and npov have in common. While film has its own logic and
> idea of 'authorship', there were also questions concerning the commercial
> model of film distrubution. Also the 'edit button' was missed by some
> 'Wikimaniacs' -- they would  love to see the huge amount of  raw material
> online, so that everyone can take another look ... or even cut a film? I
> don't know if the material is online yet. However I did very much enjoy to
> watch the film on the Wikimania as two different media formats talked to
> eachother...
> 

According to what Andrew Lih said about the official public release, the video 
should be aired early next month. I hope they will offer some opportunity for 
adding subtitles. It will be really useful for sessions about Wikipedia 
community in our Master.

I'm waiting to watch it again. As I reflected in my comments after Wikimania 
2010, it left me with many mixed feelings. Specially on whether this video can 
help to lower barriers and reluctant attitudes among scholars, and facilitate 
using Wikipedia in univerisities and other educational levels.

Best,
F.

> Grz
> Johanna
> 
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> Auftrag von Joseph Reagle [joseph.2008 at reagle.org] Gesendet: Dienstag, 26.
> Oktober 2010 19:58
> An: cpov at listcultures.org
> Betreff: <CPOV> So has anyone else seen Truth in Numbers?
> 
> So has anyone else seen Truth in Numbers [1]? I watched it online at the
> end of last week (as noted here [2].) I understand some Wikipedians
> construed it as an attack...? I can see that, though I didn't think the
> film was an unreasonable take. I thought it was well produced, and
> generally enjoyed the talking heads from all POVs -- with one exception.
> 
> [1]:
> http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/truth_in_numbers_everything_according
> _to_wikipedia/ [2]:
> http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/social/wikipedia/truth-in-advertising
> 
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From Johanna.Niesyto at uni-siegen.de  Thu Oct 28 16:55:31 2010
From: Johanna.Niesyto at uni-siegen.de (Niesyto, Johanna)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:55:31 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> Leipzig videos online
Message-ID: <4109080A6B8F554E9C8EFDCA3DE7500FC774E17900@MAIL40.uni-siegen.de>

All videos and photos of the CPOV Leipzig conference are now online at www.cpov.de

MANY THANKS to all of you for the thoughtful and vivid discussions in Leipzig!