<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div apple-content-edited="true">I guess this means thumps up for what was called 'fragmentation' in an earlier CPOV discussion :-)</div><div apple-content-edited="true"><br></div><div apple-content-edited="true">M.</div><br><div><div>On Oct 8, 2010, at 8:46 AM, Dror Kamir wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div bidimailui-charset-is-forced="true" bidimailui-detected-decoding-type="UTF-8" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Hello,<br> <br> Thanks a lot for these interesting accounts. I find the one by Erik van Bemmelen <small>(<a href="http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/2010/10/07/the-wiki-elite/">http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/2010/10/07/the-wiki-elite/</a>)</small> very interesting (my pessimistic nature always draws me to the less-positive experiences :-) ). This is usually the experience that holds people back from contributing to WP. Someone comes out of the blue and say your contributions are non-notable, unverified, violating one rule or another and so forth. While this is a natural interaction to some extent, resulting from people's possessiveness instinct, it has become increasingly frequent and received too much legitimacy. For example, a good editor would take the challenge and try to verify unverified information before asking to delete it, or, in Erik van Bemmelen's case, would appreciated the good work rather than start arguing about notability. But what I find particularly interesting is Erik van Bemmelen's reaction, namely "I can take my work and offer it to another similar website". This is exactly what WP needs these days for its own good and for the principles that underlie the project - competition. More free-licensed wiki-sites should be opened with focused theme and in various languages. In fact, when people ask me today how they can contribute to WP, I often tell them - why won't you open your own wiki? You could set the rules for yourself and you won't have to engage in endless discussions about each contribution. If your material is good and free-licensed then it is very likely that it will end up on WP, and you will still have the original version on your own site.<br> <br> Dror K<br> <br> בתאריך 06/10/10 12:49, ציטוט Geert Lovink: <blockquote cite="mid:9DD9016E-62C1-47FF-ACD6-130203DEA13C@xs4all.nl" type="cite">Dear all, <br> <br> over the past week nearly 60 students of mine who are following the New Media Practices course of the New Media masters at Mediastudies (University of Amsterdam, humanities faculty) had the assignment to write a new Wikipedia entry. They also had to write a blog posting about this experience on the collaborative blog called Masters of Media. This blog was founded in September 2006 and is now in use by the fifth generation of students. <br> <br> I have done similar assignments over the past years. Last year we had 35 students. <br> <br> About half the students ran into trouble, either having their entry deleted or having to rename it, change topic and so on. <br> <br> Please read their exciting reports here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/">http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/</a>. <br> <br> Another way to navigate could be the tag cloud: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/tag/wikipedia/">http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/tag/wikipedia/</a>. <br> <br> Here you can find photos of the three classes: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/about/">http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/about/</a>. <br> <br> At least half of the students are from outside the Netherlands, and more than half female. <br> <br> Best, Geert <br> <br> _______________________________________________ <br> cpov mailing list <br> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cpov@listcultures.org">cpov@listcultures.org</a> <br> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org">http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org</a> <br> <br> </blockquote> </div> _______________________________________________<br>cpov mailing list<br><a href="mailto:cpov@listcultures.org">cpov@listcultures.org</a><br>http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org<br></blockquote></div><br></body></html>