hi athina, dror, all,<div><br></div><div>wikileaks is undoubtedly an 'event' and very suggestive in terms of developments in geo- and info-politics. i don't think CPOV is the place to discuss it though, as this list is for wikipedia and most people on this list are focused on wikipedia-related issues.</div>
<div><br></div><div>but where best to get into the thick of wikileaks? nettime is probably to broad to focus too much on one topic. aoir isn't really the place for critical discussion (imho). perhaps you (athina) should send a general post to all the lists, a call for interest like you've done here, and if you get enough interest you could start your own wikileaks list or email group. i would also canvas the blogosphere as a lot of what i have read has come through twitter pointing to blog posts.</div>
<div><br></div><div>best</div><div><br clear="all">Nate Tkacz <br><br>School of Culture and Communication<br>University of Melbourne<br><br>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/__nate__" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/__nate__</a><br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/4 Dror Kamir <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dqamir@bezeqint.net">dqamir@bezeqint.net</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p style="margin-bottom:1cm;margin-top:0pt;direction:ltr">Hi,</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:1cm;margin-top:0pt;direction:ltr">It
is an interesting subject indeed, but I don't see how it relates
to the concept that underlies Wikipedia, namely sources of
knowledge written collaboratively or by "crowd-sourcing".
Wikileaks, despite the "wiki" incorporated in its name, is
actually another news agency, collecting information from various
sources and offering them to newspapers.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:1cm;margin-top:0pt;direction:ltr">Dror<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:1cm;margin-top:0pt;direction:ltr">בתאריך
03/02/11 17:43, ציטוט Athina Karatzogianni:<br>
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<div>I am emailing to recognise what you are saying in relation to
wikipedia's Egyptian protest, </div>
<div>and I dont wish to hijack your email,</div>
<div>but also I am emailing the list to start a discussion, if
people are at all willing, on Wikileaks as</div>
<div>a side issue to this, and the overall social media factor
concerning the protests in Tunisia, Egypt and soon</div>
<div>to be elsewhere.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The spectrum of issues is so far and wide, that attempting to
take in the empirical reality quickly enough to </div>
<div>advance our theoretical understanding of what is happening in
so many areas is head spinning.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am currently writing a couple of chapters for different
book efforts, one looking at Wikileaks as an actor in global
politics and their effect</div>
<div>in relation to the content released and the media political
economy of how it was released, and another looking at
Wikileaks </div>
<div>internally and the organizational, ideological, and internal
issues emerging in regards to leadership and forking to
Openleaks.</div>
<div>Wikileaks is in a way a starting point to address issues
lurking in my area of expertise during the last decade.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I hope this is not seen as too self-involved and I am
wondering whether other where doing similar work, in which case
it would be interesting for me to exchange some views on this
list or via one-to-one emails/chats at this point.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Athina </div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2011/1/31 Dror Kamir <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dqamir@bezeqint.net" target="_blank">dqamir@bezeqint.net</a>></span><br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
I suppose you have all noticed that Egypt is going through
rough time, but I wonder if you looked into the history of
the article about the events. It almost seems as if the
article preceded the actual events. The article on the
English-language Wikipedia is entitled "2011 Egyptian
protests". It already exists in 39 languages (incl.
English). In Arabic and Egyptian-Arabic it is entitled "The
Egyptian Revolution of Wrath" (the demonstrations on Friday
were called by the organizers "Friday of Wrath").<br>
<br>
Now to the interesting part - The demonstrations were
planned via FaceBook for about a week, and "D-Day" was
Tuesday, 25 January (which is a public holiday in Egypt).
The first version of the article on the English Wikipedia
has a time stamp of 13:26 25 January 2011 (UTC I presume).
The person who initiated the article is nicknamed "The
Egyptian Liberal" and according to his userpage he is an
Egyptian who lives in Dubai and speaks both Arabic and
English as mother tongues. "The Egyptian Liberal" worked
very fast to enrich the article, and it was practically
written in the course of the events. In the list of things
that Wikipedia isn't there is a paragraph saying "Wikipedia
is not a newspaper". Indeed, Wikipedia did not function here
as a newspaper, but rather as a tool serving the organizers
of the demonstrations.<br>
<br>
An equivalent article was initiated on the Arabic Wikipedia
3 and a half hours after its English counterpart. It was
initiated by someone who apparently lives in Egypt, but "The
Egyptian Liberal" joined him quite soon. The article on the
Egyptian-Arabic Wikipedia emerged only on 28 January, two
and a half days after its English and Arabic counterparts.
It was initiated by a person who lives in Egypt, and he is
also the main contributor, but "The Egyptian Liberal" had
his share here too.<br>
<br>
These are just my first observation, which I find
interesting because it is, in my opinion, another stage of
Wikipedia losing its encyclopedic characteristics.<br>
<br>
Dror<br>
<br>
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בתאריך 31/01/11 17:07, ציטוט Maja van der Velden:<br>
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Define Gender Gap? Look Up Wikipedia’s Contributor List<br>
<br>
In 10 short years, Wikipedia has accomplished some
remarkable goals. More than 3.5 million articles in
English? Done. More than 250 languages? Sure. But another
number has proved to be an intractable obstacle for the
online encyclopedia: surveys suggest that less than 15
percent of its hundreds of thousands of contributors are
women.<br>
<br>
More here:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/31/business/media/31link.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&emc=eta1&adxnnlx=1296486151-4fB4AiSiCizUtpXNS2UGPA" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/31/business/media/31link.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&emc=eta1&adxnnlx=1296486151-4fB4AiSiCizUtpXNS2UGPA</a><br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
<br>
Maja<br>
<br>
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