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<p style="direction: ltr;">Hi,</p>
<p style="direction: ltr;">I wonder what this person means when he
talks about sources. Let's take the classical argument between
Galileo Galilei and Pope Urban VIII - Galileo says, the earth and
the other planets orbit around the sun and I can prove it to you
with some observations I have made that confirm a theory by recent
scientists. Urban VIII says, you are wrong and I can prove it with
hundreds of scripts written by philosophers, mathematicians and
clerics throughout history. In which position does the owner of
this quote put himself and how does he view the role of Wikipedia?</p>
<p style="direction: ltr;">Dror </p>
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בתאריך 01/11/11 02:38, ציטוט nathaniel tkacz:
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<div>i want to know why it is interesting to you. is it because of
the request to add a reference to anything that is challenged or
is it something else? i guess i don't see what is so special
about it, compared to all the other discussion pages and what
goes on in them. i'm interested to know why you're interested in
it.</div>
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Nate Tkacz
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<div>Genealogies of Digital Light</div>
<div>The University of Melbourne</div>
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School of Culture and Communication<br>
The University of Melbourne<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Dror
Kamir <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I have recently found the following quote on one of the
English-language Wikipedia's talk pages. This comment
was made in the context of sourcing information related
to the Arab-Israeli conflict. I bring it as it was
written, but without identifying details. I wonder about
this person's view regarding the purpose of sourcing
information. If you can spare a moment, please tell me
what you think</p>
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<big>" <i>Indeed, the usual suspects are here making
spurious claims about the evils of those who, shock
and horror, request citations for material in
encyclopedia article. These people, who are known to
do such things as call the villages of the natives
that had been destroyed by European colonists hovels
with no connection to any contributions to greater
society or call the natives themselves illegal
squatters or displaced Jordanians, still have not
internalized the simple point that all material that
is challenged requires an in-line citation and that
references are not the same thing as external links.
And yet, because they fail to understand these basic
points, they feel both justified and qualified to
claim that those that do understand these basic
points are engaging in nonsensical wikilawyering. It
may be nonsensical as it does not make sense to you,
but I can ask a group of fourth graders if it makes
sense to them. I am fairly confident that they will
be able to grasp such a basic concept as add
citations when they are requested, don't cry about
the person requesting them. </i>"</big></p>
<p>Dror<br>
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