[Dancecult-l] intro clarification

[tobias c. van Veen]

Amazing how far this has travelled. "Ishkur" hails from Vancouver BC, and
set about on his genre guide as a bit of a send-off to rave culture and
"clueless candy ravers" who couldn't tell trance from techno. The project
began through various discussions from NorthWestRaves [NWR], a Hyperreal.org
email list and EDM community (which threw a number of amazing "list
parties"), spurned in part from many discussions but also one I had a hand
in circa 1997 or so called 'techno theory.'

Of course Ishkur, ruthless and an amazing flame war master who learned from
the best, also hammered nails into technoheads, of which certain minimal and
Detroit techno definitions still present in this guide still contain a few
words of my own, twisted and warped to perhaps not-so-artfully critique the
superiority complex of the technohead stance (one which has since shifted
dramatically -- a piece I wrote on techno, as a genre, coming to term with
its split from trance circa 1992 talks about this complex in terms of the
shift circa 2000 on the Kompakt label as techno incorporated trance, coming
to peace with it in a way -- see e/i magazine #6 -- email me if you want a
PDF copy as I believe it's quite hard to find now that the magazine has gone
out-of-print; otherwise see http://www.ei-mag.com ).

Unfortunately much of Ishkur's original website is now long gone due to
server problems and bandwidth issues, but it contained at one time a great
series of blog posts and articles by Ishkur taking the piss out of the rave
scene. 

As for his Guide, his genre definitions are only meant to be pisstakes -- I
wouldn't trust them for a second, and they are often historically
inaccurate, quite obviously completely value-laden and utterly sarcastic.
The Guide itself would make a great object of a cultural study (let me know
if anyone is interested), but I would greatly question its authority for any
usage, nevermind that of EDM scholars! For the most part the Guide, like a
lot of h at x0r pisstakes, chumps the user for being there in the first place
-- n00b!

best, tV




> 
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>> 
>> Anyone have suggestions? I would love any recommendations for the
>> basics of an EDM library.
>> 
>> Meghan
> 
> the best catalogue of EDM genres I've ever seen has to be Ishkur's Guide:
> 
> http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html
> 
> a total network too with loads of samples!    Of course anybody's family tree
> of genre's and their definitions tends to be subjective and arguable, but
> nonetheless this one is super informative, spot on and hilarious on many
> occaisions. 
> -Evan
> 
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