<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Sorry Nienke en Patrice maar ik ben het hier echt niet mee eens. “Tegendraads meedoen” legitimeert het feest van De Zwijger alleen maar. Je wordt dan automatisch onderdeel van hun boodschap, met name dat alles mag blijven als het is en wij er weer mooi een keertje over alles kritisch hebben gesproken. Toen wij een jaar geleden met de AA cover van WeSellTheCity kwamen, was Egbert zn reactie: "maar jullie waren toch uitgenodigd!” Hij snapt heel goed dat zijn simulatie van verandering alleen werkt als ook de critici op auditie komen. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We hebben alternatieve infrastructuren voor een echt politiek debat nodig. Met AA proberen we hieraan te werken maar dit is uiteraard veel te klein. Dus laat de energie niet verspullen in De Zwijger maar stop ze beter in het opbouwen van alternatieven. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Er gebeurt iets interessants in Berlijn trouwens. Daar doet de gemeente bewust niet mee aan WeMakeTheCity maar het is wel gesponsord door het NL fund creatieve industrie. Het gaat me er niet om te zeggen: oh kijk, de moffen, maar er is sprake van een politisering van de politiek in Berlijn waar we in Amsterdam alleen maar van kunnen dromen. En het is de taak van de Zwijger om te voorkomen dat deze droom ooit waar wordt.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Groeten,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Seb <br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14 May 2019, at 11:58, Nienke J <<a href="mailto:nienke.ot301@gmail.com" class="">nienke.ot301@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span class="" id=":56k.1" tabindex="-1" style="">Hi</span> ja na het lezen van dit alles denk ik twee dingen doen en niet doen, dus doe gewoon beide.(:) <div class="">Laat het gebeuren en wees zoals Patrice schrijft: echt, eerlijk, kritisch en tegendraads. <div class=""><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Met vriendelijke groet,</div><div class="">Nienke Jansen<br class=""></div><div class="">Tel 0614390421</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>Autonomie door tegenspraak/<span class="" id=":56k.10" tabindex="-1" style="">Autonomy</span> <span class="" id=":56k.11" tabindex="-1" style="">by</span> <span class="" id=":56k.12" tabindex="-1" style="">dissent</span><br class=""><a href="http://www.abnormaldataprocessing.com/" target="_blank" class="">http://www.<span class="" id=":56k.13" tabindex="-1" style="">abnormaldataprocessing</span>.com/</a></div><div class="">Geen cultuur zonder subcultuur</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.noculturewithoutsubculture.org/" target="_blank" class="">http://www.<span class="" id=":56k.14" tabindex="-1" style="">noculturewithoutsubculture</span>.<span class="" id=":56k.15" tabindex="-1" style="">org</span>/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op di 14 mei 2019 om 11:41 schreef <<a href="mailto:sebolma@xs4all.nl" class="">sebolma@xs4all.nl</a>>:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">Oh shit, Patrice was al zo lief om AA's propaganda werk te verrichten. Sorry voor het herposten!!<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Seb</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14 May 2019, at 11:34, seb olma <<a href="mailto:sebolma@xs4all.nl" target="_blank" class="">sebolma@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-4706554958510510196Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">Mooi zo Hay!<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Voor het geval je (of iemand) nog meer argumenten tegen WeFakeTheCity nodig hebt, ik heb een klein stukje in de laatste AA geplaatst over de relatie tussen De Zwijger, ‘creatieve stad’, en rechtspopulisme: <a href="https://amsterdamalternative.nl/articles/7486" target="_blank" class="">https://amsterdamalternative.nl/articles/7486</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Groeten,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Seb</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14 May 2019, at 10:35, ADM Info <<a href="mailto:info@adm.amsterdam" target="_blank" class="">info@adm.amsterdam</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-4706554958510510196Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">Hi,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Nu ben ik ook uitgenodigd om daar te spreken over de vrijplaatscultuur, op 21 juni dus.</div><div class="">Afmelden zal ik me dan maar want ik onderschrijf de opmerkingen die jullie allemaal maken.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14 May 2019, at 09:26, Patrice Riemens <<a href="mailto:patrice@xs4all.nl" target="_blank" class="">patrice@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-4706554958510510196Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">On 2019-05-13 22:11, Bart Klaar wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Soms zie ik een aankondiging en dan denk ik: WAT IS DIIT?<br class="">Wie gaat er horeca, festaivals en rope om vrijeruimte op 1 hoop<br class="">gooien?<br class="">uiterst verwarrend.....<br class="">met groet bart<br class=""><a href="https://wemakethe.city/production/spaces-that-matter?ref=17400&lang" target="_blank" class="">https://wemakethe.city/production/spaces-that-matter?ref=17400&lang</a><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Grüzi mittenand,<br class=""><br class="">Meer dan alleen verwarrend, het is in de war brengen(d). Wat mij het meest verontrust in deze mainstreaming van het alternatieve, is dat de creativiteit (kan je dat woord met goed fatsoen nog gebruiken?) geinstitutionaliseerd wordt, dat wil zeggen ingekapseld. Het verdwijnen van alternatieve plekken wordt betreurd, de uitspraak "geen kultuur zonder sub-kultuur" wordt veelvuldig aangehaald ... en de oplossing wordt gezocht in het planmatig heropzetten van een, ja wat? brave alternatieve kultuur (en dito plekken). Het ergst is dat niemand zich kan onttrekken aan deze ontwikkeling: doe je niet mee, dan val je buiten de boot, weet je niet hoet het moet, ben je geen 'team player', of erger. Je doet dan maar mee, en vervolgens ben je door burokratisering en managerialisme het grootste deel van je tijd kwijt aan administratrivia en eindelooze vergaderrondes in plaats van gewoon iets concreets te doen.<br class=""><br class="">In zake alternatieven is de beste houding van een bestuur te faciliteren en verder niets te doen. Geldt voor de natuur en geldt ook voor de mensen. Maar we gaan helemaal de andere kant op, meer kaders, meer regels, en vergeet niet: meer kosten.<br class=""><br class="">Lees het artikel van Sebastian Olma tegen geinstitutionaliseerde, en van politiek gezuiverde creativiteit aan de hand van het amsterdamse vlaggeschip hiervan, Pakhuis de Zwijger in Amsterdam Alternative:<br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://amsterdamalternative.nl/articles/7486" target="_blank" class="">https://amsterdamalternative.nl/articles/7486</a> (Engels)<br class=""><br class="">Ciaoui, p+2D!<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">faircityamsterdam mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:faircityamsterdam@listcultures.org" target="_blank" class="">faircityamsterdam@listcultures.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/faircityamsterdam_listcultures.org" target="_blank" class="">http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/faircityamsterdam_listcultures.org</a><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">faircityamsterdam mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:faircityamsterdam@listcultures.org" target="_blank" class="">faircityamsterdam@listcultures.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/faircityamsterdam_listcultures.org" target="_blank" class="">http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/faircityamsterdam_listcultures.org</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">faircityamsterdam mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:faircityamsterdam@listcultures.org" target="_blank" class="">faircityamsterdam@listcultures.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/faircityamsterdam_listcultures.org" target="_blank" class="">http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/faircityamsterdam_listcultures.org</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">
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