<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Thanks for your clarification, Nachshon. I was speaking metaphorically when I said we live in all times at once in the sense that we have instant access to so much information about historic times. I was paraphrasing McLuhan. I could not find his exact quote but I found the following quote from Marshall's son Eric McLuhan in his article published on <a href="http://www.razonypalabra.org.mx/Eric_McLuhan.pdf">www.razonypalabra.org.mx/Eric_McLuhan.pdf</a> entitled <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><b>The Renaissance Around Us</b></span>:<br><div><br></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11.7px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3">"To live at the speed of light is to live mythically-in all times and spaces and cultures at once."</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11.7px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><br></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11.7px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3">Here is a quote from Understanding Media p. 4 in which Marshall McLuhan developed a similar idea 50 years ago.</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11.7px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11.7px/normal Helvetica; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large; font-family: Times; "><ul>We live mythically and integrally... In the electric age ,when our central nervous system is tecnologically extended to involve in the whole of mankind and to incorporate the whole of mankind in us, we necessarily participate... in the consequences of our every action. (1964: p.4)</ul></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11.7px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11.7px/normal Helvetica; ">Bob</div><div>
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<br><div><div>On 2014-09-02, at 12:25 PM, Nachshon Goltz wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Bob, I would not say that the entire history is online. Actually, if it is before the internet era, most chances you will not find it online.</div><div>We do not live in all times at once, on the contrary, we are living the online time which is a distortion of our day and night time.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Bob Logan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:logan@physics.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">logan@physics.utoronto.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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From: "Smit, P.H." <<a href="mailto:p.h.smit@rug.nl" target="_blank">p.h.smit@rug.nl</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:webcultures@listcultures.org" target="_blank">webcultures@listcultures.org</a><br>Subject: [WebCultures] (no subject)<br>
Message-ID:<br><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><<a href="mailto:CAPVEOJU9hK-zzy2_1b14RSsKkEE3XtmE-ehkacrosLY6kf4DiQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAPVEOJU9hK-zzy2_1b14RSsKkEE3XtmE-ehkacrosLY6kf4DiQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Hello all,<br><br>I'm Rik Smit, a third-year PhD candidate and lecturer in the Journalism an<br>Media department at the University of Groningen. As a direct colleague of<br>
Michael's, I feel less isolated than some others in this mailing list. At<br>least I've got someone to talk to.<br><br>My PhD work is on the construction of collective (or maybe better,<br>connective) memory in online spaces and settings. For some, this may sound<br>
esoteric or alien, maybe even totally out of focus of this mailing list.<br>However, I'd argue that my research has a lot in common with the stuff web<br>historians are working with and on.<br><br>I examine the genres, practices, and uses of the web and new media that<br>
allow new and creative versions of the past to emerge. Case studies<br>include: the construction of memory of the Syrian War on YouTube and memes<br>as a web-native form that allows for historical remix.<br><br>I'm very eager to (virtually) meet people who are working on similar or<br>
related topics.<br><br>All the best from the Netherlands,<br><br>Rik<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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