From nathanieltkacz at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 01:38:30 2011
From: nathanieltkacz at gmail.com (nathaniel tkacz)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:38:30 +1100
Subject: <CPOV> A quote from an English-language Wikipedia talk page
 that begs some pondering and comments
In-Reply-To: <4EAC0A2A.5000509@bezeqint.net>
References: <4EAC0A2A.5000509@bezeqint.net>
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hi dror,

i want to know why it is interesting to you. is it because of the request
to add a reference to anything that is challenged or is it something else?
i guess i don't see what is so special about it, compared to all the other
discussion pages and what goes on in them. i'm interested to know why
you're interested in it.

Nate Tkacz

ARC Research Associate
Genealogies of Digital Light
The University of Melbourne
Site: http://www.digital-light.net.au/

PhD Candidate
School of Culture and Communication
The University of Melbourne

Twitter: http://twitter.com/__nate__

Research Page: http://nathanieltkacz.net



On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Dror Kamir <dqamir at bezeqint.net> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> I have recently found the following quote on one of the English-language
> Wikipedia's talk pages. This comment was made in the context of sourcing
> information related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. I bring it as it was
> written, but without identifying details. I wonder about this person's view
> regarding the purpose of sourcing information. If you can spare a moment,
> please tell me what you think
>
>
> " *Indeed, the usual suspects are here making spurious claims about the
> evils of those who, shock and horror, request citations for material in
> encyclopedia article. These people, who are known to do such things as call
> the villages of the natives that had been destroyed by European colonists
> hovels with no connection to any contributions to greater society or call
> the natives themselves illegal squatters or displaced Jordanians, still
> have not internalized the simple point that all material that is challenged
> requires an in-line citation and that references are not the same thing as
> external links. And yet, because they fail to understand these basic
> points, they feel both justified and qualified to claim that those that do
> understand these basic points are engaging in nonsensical wikilawyering. It
> may be nonsensical as it does not make sense to you, but I can ask a group
> of fourth graders if it makes sense to them. I am fairly confident that
> they will be able to grasp such a basic concept as add citations when they
> are requested, don't cry about the person requesting them. *"
>
> Dror
>
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From dqamir at bezeqint.net  Tue Nov  1 07:10:22 2011
From: dqamir at bezeqint.net (Dror Kamir)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:10:22 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> A quote from an English-language Wikipedia talk page
 that begs some pondering and comments
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From geert at xs4all.nl  Wed Nov  9 18:24:45 2011
From: geert at xs4all.nl (Geert Lovink)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:24:45 +0100
Subject: <CPOV> blog report of Dutch Wikimedia 2011 conference
Message-ID: <B4AFBDC6-0875-4735-BD78-578E818A6A6A@xs4all.nl>

http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/2011/11/08/wikimedia-conference-2011-cultural-heritage-commons-and-lots-of-data-pt-1/
http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/2011/11/08/wikimedia-conference-2011-cultural-heritage-commons-and-lots-of-data-pt-2/



From geert at desk.nl  Tue Nov 15 22:00:29 2011
From: geert at desk.nl (Geert Lovink)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:00:29 +0100
Subject: <CPOV> All Wikipedia ends in Philosophy
Message-ID: <7AA3E3EE-C57D-4466-B60F-AD28A87CA665@desk.nl>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/14/wikipedia-philosophy_n_1093460.html



From nathaniel.stern at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 16:27:19 2011
From: nathaniel.stern at gmail.com (Nathaniel Stern)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:27:19 -0600
Subject: <CPOV> Performative Citations!
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References: <7AA3E3EE-C57D-4466-B60F-AD28A87CA665@desk.nl>
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http://xkcd.com/978/

nathaniel
http://nathanielstern.com



From geert at xs4all.nl  Wed Nov 23 18:56:41 2011
From: geert at xs4all.nl (Geert Lovink)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 18:56:41 +0100
Subject: <CPOV> Wikipedia mapping
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http://www.cherwell.org/news/academic/2011/11/22/wikipedia-mapping-by-oii



From dqamir at bezeqint.net  Wed Nov 23 21:48:14 2011
From: dqamir at bezeqint.net (Dror Kamir)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:48:14 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> Wikipedia mapping
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From mark.graham at oii.ox.ac.uk  Thu Nov 24 11:51:09 2011
From: mark.graham at oii.ox.ac.uk (Mark Graham)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:51:09 +0000
Subject: <CPOV> Wikipedia mapping
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We're actually working on some of these metrics already and I should have
some maps of them ready relatively soon. i.e. all of your suggestions apart
from the first one are things we're actively asking at the moment :) The
first one is something that seems much harder to do, and is less relevant
to our broader research project - so isn't something that we're pushing
forwards on at the moment.

Thanks,
Mark
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Oxford Internet Institute
University of Oxford
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Oxford OX1 3JS
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On 23 November 2011 20:48, Dror Kamir <dqamir at bezeqint.net> wrote:

>  Great work. Here's what I'd like to see next:
>
>    1. Localities of 10,000 people or less (My assumption - most lights
>    would be in W Europe and N America, because articles about small localities
>    are written by people who live in or near them).
>    2. Localities with high number of links directing to them from within
>    EN Wikipedia
>    3. Localities with high number of inter-wiki links (i.e. links to
>    equivalent articles on other WPs).
>    4. Localities with more than two images on their article (again -
>    those with many images, unless popular tourist destinations, are those with
>    local WPedians living in them).
>     5. Localities with large talk pages (including archives)
>    6. Localities with many edits in their history
>    7. Localities with many unique contributors in their history
>
> I hope it's not too much to ask :-)
>
> Dror K
>
> ?????? 23/11/11 19:56, ????? Geert Lovink:
>
> http://www.cherwell.org/news/academic/2011/11/22/wikipedia-mapping-by-oii
>
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