From geert at xs4all.nl  Thu Aug  2 22:34:08 2012
From: geert at xs4all.nl (Geert Lovink)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:34:08 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> remarks
Message-ID: <35BE5509-5543-46D0-A5E4-EAAEF111A595@xs4all.nl>

Anne Helmond on Twitter:

"I cannot seem to figure out how to replace an image on Wikipedia  
while I consider myself quite skilled. O my. Participation barrier:  
HIGH."

"Hey WIKIPEDIA, if you want people to edit stuff it shouldn't require  
a PhD in new media. O wait..."

"I'm about to vandalize a Wikipedia entry with *put new image here,  
motherfuckers* but instead I'm abandoning the edit, I'm a sweet girl."





From nathanieltkacz at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 13:00:12 2012
From: nathanieltkacz at gmail.com (nathaniel tkacz)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:00:12 +0100
Subject: <CPOV> design
Message-ID: <CAK+4DjbcRuuO8w7uxhNzH5rsmjLqE-CzYEH8g8TWhBBJJ3BnPw@mail.gmail.com>

if only these people were around two years ago when we were trying to get
the discussion about design going at cpov:

http://wikipediaredefined.com/

i'd be interested to know what other people think about this and also how
it relates to the ongoing internal discussions about design in the wpedia
community.

nate
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From majava at ifi.uio.no  Fri Aug 10 13:38:41 2012
From: majava at ifi.uio.no (Maja van der Velden)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:38:41 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> design
In-Reply-To: <CAK+4DjbcRuuO8w7uxhNzH5rsmjLqE-CzYEH8g8TWhBBJJ3BnPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK+4DjbcRuuO8w7uxhNzH5rsmjLqE-CzYEH8g8TWhBBJJ3BnPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BA6C49A9-0A2C-4A2F-9539-0DF15E550580@ifi.uio.no>

Thanks for this Nate. I am very interested to know more about the internal discussions about design in the W - community. 

I hoped that the oral citations project (e.g. People are Knowledge video) would result in a new discussion about the relation between design and knowledge in Wikipedia, but nothing seems to happen. I hope I am wrong! Maybe you know more?

Greetings,

Maja

On Aug 10, 2012, at 13:00 , nathaniel tkacz wrote:

> if only these people were around two years ago when we were trying to get the discussion about design going at cpov:
> 
> http://wikipediaredefined.com/
> 
> i'd be interested to know what other people think about this and also how it relates to the ongoing internal discussions about design in the wpedia community.
> 
> nate
> _______________________________________________
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From nathanieltkacz at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 14:37:49 2012
From: nathanieltkacz at gmail.com (nathaniel tkacz)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:37:49 +0100
Subject: <CPOV> design
In-Reply-To: <BA6C49A9-0A2C-4A2F-9539-0DF15E550580@ifi.uio.no>
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	<BA6C49A9-0A2C-4A2F-9539-0DF15E550580@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <CAK+4DjZp2OcM6ZvPwRCFnZ4Eg10MV8gn2g8-KPV6Z1sjzWM5EA@mail.gmail.com>

hi maja - there are a lot of conversations going on, not always explicitly
about design, but easily understood as such. i would put projects like the
tea house in there (although it also speaks to several other issues)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse

the april report from the foundation also has some other projects
(see Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 98, Issue 23), but many of them are very
specific. i like the generality of the 'redefine' project. one thing that
is obvious though, is that the 'performativity' aspect of the project is
understood purely on the grounds of conventional design (readability, noise
reduction etc) and doesn't really enter the realm that i think you're
interested in, ie knowledge politics.

best

nate


On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Maja van der Velden <majava at ifi.uio.no>wrote:

> Thanks for this Nate. I am very interested to know more about the internal
> discussions about design in the W - community.
>
> I hoped that the oral citations project (e.g. People are Knowledge video)
> would result in a new discussion about the relation between design and
> knowledge in Wikipedia, but nothing seems to happen. I hope I am wrong!
> Maybe you know more?
>
> Greetings,
>
> Maja
>
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 13:00 , nathaniel tkacz wrote:
>
> if only these people were around two years ago when we were trying to get
> the discussion about design going at cpov:
>
> http://wikipediaredefined.com/
>
> i'd be interested to know what other people think about this and also how
> it relates to the ongoing internal discussions about design in the wpedia
> community.
>
> nate
> _______________________________________________
> cpov mailing list
> cpov at listcultures.org
> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/cpov_listcultures.org
>
>
>
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From hfordsa at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 17:40:00 2012
From: hfordsa at gmail.com (Heather Ford)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:40:00 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> wikipedia sources report released
Message-ID: <8F0EBFDE-ACEA-4937-B0AF-67CDECFDC669@gmail.com>

Apologies for the self-plug but would love any feedback from folks on this list might have on the Ushahidi report re. Wikipedia sources and the 2011 Egyptian revolution case here http://scr.bi/NfsKQg 

Especially since it was CPOV that got me started on this road :) Thanks again to Dror for his help reviewing at the beginning and end :)

Best,
Heather.

Heather Ford 
www.ethnographymatters.net 
@hfordsa on Twitter
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From dqamir at bezeqint.net  Wed Aug 22 12:01:02 2012
From: dqamir at bezeqint.net (Dror Kamir)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:01:02 +0300
Subject: <CPOV> An interesting debate on the HE Wikipedia over the
 notability of a person who set himself on fire during a protest in Tel Aviv
Message-ID: <5034ADDE.2020708@bezeqint.net>

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From andreas.erich.kemper at gmail.com  Wed Aug 22 12:59:03 2012
From: andreas.erich.kemper at gmail.com (Andreas Kemper)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:03 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> Antifeminist Campaign against Wikipedia-Authors in Germany
Message-ID: <CANnX3UGm-qscvgT7O2R5Zx6bDNjyADz9g0zNrZP15YcYKeDoig@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

An antifeminist campaign against Wikipedia-Authors in Germany was
successful. A woman decided to leave Wikipedia after sexist insults. Maybe
this is the result of institutionalized sexism in Wikipedia. Sexist
Wikipedia-users are not blocked.

Here is more information in German
language:http://andreaskemper.wordpress.com/2012/08/16/1265/

Best,
Andreas
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From hfordsa at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 15:08:21 2012
From: hfordsa at gmail.com (Heather Ford)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:08:21 +0200
Subject: <CPOV> An interesting debate on the HE Wikipedia over the
	notability of a person who set himself on fire during a
	protest in Tel Aviv
In-Reply-To: <5034ADDE.2020708@bezeqint.net>
References: <5034ADDE.2020708@bezeqint.net>
Message-ID: <32C26ED6-D508-4ED8-B033-4A3101FAD4BF@gmail.com>

This is so interesting, Dror. Thank you for sharing. I'm looking forward to your translation!

On Aug 22, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Dror Kamir wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I don't know how many of you have heard about Moshe Silman. His death, a week after setting himself on fire during a rally in Tel Aviv against the cost of living and the government's social policy (which took place on 14 July 2012), brought the recent anti-government protests to a new peak. You can read about him here: http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israeli-man-sets-himself-on-fire-during-tel-aviv-social-protest-1.451041 here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/world/middleeast/israeli-protester-moshe-silman-dies-after-self-immolation.html here:http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/18/moshe-silman-self-immolation and in many other Israeli and international reports.
> 
> There is an interesting debate currently going on about whether an article about him should be included in the Hebrew Wikipedia. Apparently people tried to start an article about him shortly after the reports about his dramatic act of protest reached the local press. The people who tried to initiate the article were not "hard-core" Wikipedians, some of them weren't even registered and didn't bother to register. The non-registered users were soon blocked, as the article was put under special protection, and the article was nominated for deletion.
> 
> I read two interesting blogposts about the issue by a non-Wikipedian who said he was one of those who tried to initiate the article without registering (Based on his posts, I'm not sure he even knew in advance that WP had a registration option). I'm translating his posts into English, but it's going to take me some time, so if you happen to know some Hebrew and wish to read them, you can find them here: http://cafe.themarker.com/post/2697180/ and here: http://cafe.themarker.com/post/2707797/ If you use machine translation - do it cautiously. The Heb-to-Eng option is still a huge challenge for this mechanism.
> 
> Some background - The Hebrew Wikipedia is known to adhere to delitionism. The protests in Israel that started about a year ago (focusing mainly on social and economic government policy and partially inspired by the similar protests in southern Europe and by the so-called Arab Spring protests) triggered a demand for Hebrew Wikipedia article about the leaders of the protests, like Daphni Leef and Stav Shaffir (both now have articles also in English). The Hebrew article about Daphni Leef was nominated for deletion while Wikimania 2011 was held in Haifa (and incidentally a large protesters' camp was set just next to the Wikimania 2011 venue). The protest was mentioned by the keynote speakers, and Jimmy Wales brought the Daphni Leef article deletion debate as a major topic in his closing talk about "the state of the Wiki".
> 
> Dror K
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